BHP vs. Beretta re: Reliability

inferiority of the aluminum frame proved

Some time ago I read an article about the Armed services completely rebuilding Beretta guns that were to be used at the Camp Perry Matchs. Sumarizing the article breifly they acutally inserted steel frame rails into the soft alumunim frame so that it would stay accurate longer after they had spent the time and money to accuraize them for the matches. If this doesn't prove to you all about the inferiority of the aluminum frame gun in regards to long lasting accuracy I give up trying to get through to you people. W.R.
 
"I have seen too many people fail to hit targets even at extremely close range with a double action pistol. " - Wild Romanian
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Probably about as many people as I've seen trigger off a round from a single action , dig a nice hole in the ground about fifteen feet in front of the bench, and say "I didn't mean to fire!"

There's a good reason to have double action first shots on defensive handguns -- a) you don't have to worry about forgetting to release the safety under stress, a much more lethal (for you) mistake than dealing with a double action first shot and b) it gives an extra fraction of reaction time for the brain to react to a shoot/don't shoot decision -- I believe it was Tamara who posted an account where she pulled a gun on someone and started to squeeze the trigger just as the person began to retreat. She managed to not shoot at the last possible second, possibly saving her from a messy encounter with the legal system.

And it's not any more difficult to get off an accurate first shot even under stress (I'm not talking bullseye matches here -- I'll keep my single action .22 with the light trigger for that) -- the revolver guys have been doing it for decades. All you need is practice to develop muscle memory, and if someone's not going to practice, maybe the whole gun thing isn't their deal.

I would stress that you need a decent DA trigger if you're going to shoot double action, and tiny carry guns with small grips and heavy DA triggers will be very, very difficult to shoot well in Double Action mode. On the other hand, my Beretta Elite II is almost stupifyingly easy to shoot in DA mode.

Now, if you're Jeff Cooper, and you have drilled the 1911 manual of arms until you could do it after a lobotomy, then maybe that's what you should carry. Different strokes for different folks.
 
Hello, Wild One. I see your point, but it also strikes me that if the forged frame was plenty good for the 9mm, which I think it is, then the cast one required for the extra power of the forty, but now used on the 9mm would make it even better in terms of shooting.

But, nevermind.

I KNOW the solution to Higgins' problem. I KNOW the answer.

Mr. Higgins, you need to buy a new or very clean
T-series HP as well as a NIB MkIII or Practical and a Beretta 92.

YOU can then decide what is best for you and take your choice.

Just kidding of course, but you will have to make the ultimate decision in this thing.

And to the rest of us: Let's back off a little and remember that we're only stating our opinions.
We all "know" that we're right. There's likely no way that those of us on this forum with strong opinions one way or the other are going to change with our continued "I'm right/you are wrong" responses. I truly think that we've explained our views and more importantly, I strongly believe that enough information's been given for an inquirer to make up his own mind or check out the topic and research it for himself.

Ya'll hang in there, but mainly try and have fun.
I plan to tomorrow. May shoot my P210 and a "cast iron" MkIII. W.R., I may even carry them in the same range bag!


Best.
 
I purchased a BHP the 1st week in April this year. Today I passed the 1050 round marks without a malfunction of any kind. Mags. used were 10 rd., 13 rd. and 17 rd. Half the fire rounds were Blazer and the other were my reloads with 150 rds. of Speer Gold Dot. Also the piece hasn't been cleaned or any oil on the slide rails since the first firing. It was cleaned and oiled before firing.

Turk
 
I'd take the POS Beretta if I were faced with that decision. As a matter of fact, I HAVE been through this before...ended up with the Beretta and haven't looked back.:cool:
 
WR - perhaps "humped feed ramp" isn't the best description but it is the most commonly used so that's what I went with. The T-Series does have a different feed ramp from the MkIII. Its been my personal experience that the MkIII feed ramp feeds hollowpoints and modern defensive ammunition much more reliably than the pre-1981 models.

Your point regarding the safety is a good one that summarizes this whole debate. Obviously we are discussing some very subjective judgements. The small safety works for you and is your personal preference while the newer ambidextrous safety is my personal preference. We both have our druthers in the matter and its like asking someone whether Coke or Pepsi is better.

Higgins - As almost everyone else has noted, its a matter of what suits your personal tastes. As you can see, there is some variety of opnion even among those who prefer a Hi-Power over a Beretta. The fact that WR and I would both take the Hi-Power over the Beretta and then disagree on several other aspects perfectly highlights the subjective nature of guns in general. You've definitely got the resources to make a good informed judgement. I'd try renting/borrowing as many of these as you can before buying and then buy the gun that suits your tastes best.
 
I took my new 92FS to the range Sat. I was impressed!!! It didn't feel chunky to me, and the first three shots out went into the black. Since I do not intend to carry this pistol, the DA/SA issue is moot for me. Gee Wild, I seem to like all the pistols that you hate!!!:D
 
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