Best "Small" CZ
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Pond James Pond
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I believe one of the Rami models is all-steel. May be wrong.
Walt Sherrill
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Alloy models only, one with decocker, one with a safety -- now that the polymer versions have been discontinued.
I would expect to see Omega versions, one of these days. (That makes sense if only because it has fewer parts and must be slightly simpler to make.)
I haven't checked measurements, but in MY hand the sub-compact RAMI felt bigger (i.e., thicker) than the Compact or PCR. Had it been a bit thinner I might've given it more consideration. It wasn't all that more concealable than the compact models.
The official Compact D is the worldwide version of the P-01. If you look on the CZ website (czub.cz) the Compact D has the rail and the P-01 description. But, also if you look on CZ USA website under the PCR the slide is marked Compact D. So in reality you will find PCR and P-01 marked Compact D. I in fact have an older one and weirder one than that. I have a former Israeli surplus Compact D from 2000 with a rail. It has a rail, but the slide is from a PCR with the lower profile sights and the double angled cocking serrations on the slide. But, the slide doesn't have the loaded chamber indicator like current PCR. It seems like the mothership CZ has used Compact D marked slides when ever they were short on a PCR or P-01 slide for export.
loose_holster_dan
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metal cz's are soooo purty
Walt Sherrill
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DanTSX said:
Some models are available in high-gloss blue and nickel platied finished -- and there are stainless steel models, too.
I've had two hi-gloss blue (older) CZ-85 Combats, and other non-CZ high-gloss stainless guns [like a couple of 2000-series Sphinx semi-autos] and they're beautiful, but very hard to keep that way, as every little minor bump or scratch stands out! A matte finish would be easier to maintain. Mine became safe queens. Poly-coat and satin nickel finishes seem very trouble free.
The Polycoat finish has changed a lot over time. It's an electrostatically applied powder finish that is oven cured. (The earliest versions of the Polycoat finish wimped out when some cleaning products, like carb cleaner were applied; that is no longer the case. The earlier enamel finish on some pre-Bs was crap.
I'd argue that polycoat holds up much better than the Glock, SIG and Beretta finishes over time -- and can be touched up. Glock, SIG, Beretta? Good luck.
I've also found that Dupli-Color auto body touch-up paint in matte black is a near-perfect match for polycoat if you have small problems to repair. (But most matte black auto touch-up paint seem good matches.)
If you're doing touch up, get a larger aerosol can, shake it well, and spray some of it onto a aluminum pie plate (disposable) or a piece of aluminum foil; then use a fine (model) brush to apply the paitn to the scratch or nick. The aerosol paint is thinner than the stuff in the small bottles, and easier to work with and apply without a big build up.)
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armoredman
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Out of what you offer in your poll, I vote this...
However, I have carried a P-01 for years,
My wife is very fond of her RAMI,
But my ACTUAL concealed carry sidearm?
That's a full size CZ SP-01 Phantom. In the right holster and belt combo, it disappears under a loose t-shirt, even in AZ heat.
But back to the czoices you put up - the PCR is one of the best CCW carry pistols ever made, and I think the ultimate PCR is the CZ Custom ProTek 1. I'd sell an unused body part for one of these if I could.
http://czcustom.com/CZPCRPRO-TEK1Black.aspx
However, I have carried a P-01 for years,
My wife is very fond of her RAMI,
But my ACTUAL concealed carry sidearm?
That's a full size CZ SP-01 Phantom. In the right holster and belt combo, it disappears under a loose t-shirt, even in AZ heat.
But back to the czoices you put up - the PCR is one of the best CCW carry pistols ever made, and I think the ultimate PCR is the CZ Custom ProTek 1. I'd sell an unused body part for one of these if I could.
http://czcustom.com/CZPCRPRO-TEK1Black.aspx
I have a P-01 and like it a lot. I have wanted to go sub compact for CCW but the RAMI is too close in size to the P-01 in my opinion. Its not really a sub compact its more of a small compact. Its seems unlikely that the RAMI would be small enough to appeal to people looking at sub compacts for CCW relative to the P-01. CZ needs to make a single stack sub compact with a descent sight radius but I digress.
Another thing to consider and I know you said no plastic. But the sight radius on the P-07 is about 0.5" longer than the metal compacts. And the alpha triggers I have dry fired in the stores are crisper than the standard CZ 75 triggers. And the ability to go between decocker and thumb safety is a nice feature on the P-07/P-09 alpha trigger setups. And mags have increased capacity and the MSRP is lower. Just saying...
Another thing to consider and I know you said no plastic. But the sight radius on the P-07 is about 0.5" longer than the metal compacts. And the alpha triggers I have dry fired in the stores are crisper than the standard CZ 75 triggers. And the ability to go between decocker and thumb safety is a nice feature on the P-07/P-09 alpha trigger setups. And mags have increased capacity and the MSRP is lower. Just saying...
leadcounsel
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I'm a big CZ lover of all flavors. You said you had the polymer and got rid of it. That puzzles me. I love, and I really do mean, love CZ pistols. The P07 is just the latest and greatest of their innovation. What's not to love?
It's super ergonomic and a beautiful gun, with higher capacity and lighter weight. And the biggest pluses - the trigger is probably the best DA/SA trigger on the market, and you can switch between safety or decocker (I do wish they designed it like an HK so it does both, but oh well).
If you must stick with metal, your choices are dependent on decocker vs safety. That pretty much decides it for you.
It's super ergonomic and a beautiful gun, with higher capacity and lighter weight. And the biggest pluses - the trigger is probably the best DA/SA trigger on the market, and you can switch between safety or decocker (I do wish they designed it like an HK so it does both, but oh well).
If you must stick with metal, your choices are dependent on decocker vs safety. That pretty much decides it for you.
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leadcounsel said:
I didn't have the same experience with the ergonomics on the P07. Granted, the one I had was "stippled" (read: butchered), but even the overall feel to the gun was off. My review was posted here: https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548914
I like old revolvers and steel handguns. I like to think it means my hands have "refined" (read: picky/expensive) tastes. My Kahr CW9 has been the biggest exception to the metal gun craze, and I really can't explain why...
Walt Sherrill
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I have six guns that I shoot best:
All of the guns, above, shoot equally well, and I've had others that are well regarded, including a S&W 52-2, a SIG P210-6, and a SIG P226 X-Five (in .40). That said, if I could sell the guns above for enough money to reacquire those three guns, two of which were sold in a time of financial need back, I wouldn't.)
- A CZ-85 Combat, with a little trigger work done.
- A custom AT84s supposedly built by Jim Boland, now dead. (Jim was a master gunsmith known for his 1911s and other custom pistols.) There are no markings on the gun or documentation to prove provenance. It may be a fake, but if so, it's a superb fake -- or gun intended to look and function like a Boland weapon.
- A Sphinx SDP.
- A great-shooting T-series BHP.
- A competition-oriented S&W M&P Pro with a lot of upgrades.
- A CZ-P07.
All of the guns, above, shoot equally well, and I've had others that are well regarded, including a S&W 52-2, a SIG P210-6, and a SIG P226 X-Five (in .40). That said, if I could sell the guns above for enough money to reacquire those three guns, two of which were sold in a time of financial need back, I wouldn't.)
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