Best Rifle for Stopping a Charging Grizzly Bear?? -- Photo

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You never shot my modified Marlin .444. Not sure that we are really communicating well here. I don't have a standard .444. It weighs over 9 pounds, and has a Limbsaver on the stock and a Kick Killer cover over that for nearly an inch of shock absorbing rubber on my shoulder. My perception is that it is like shooting my 20 ga. I no longer own any 12 ga to compare it to directly. Once again, I have a medical condition in my left arm that I must take into account to avoid complications from shooting high powered rifles.

Alright.... but that's not the same as what you said before.... I can make a 12ga heavy enough and add enough padding that it kicks like a 20ga too.

Point being, to stop a bear charge at point-blank range, the 444 has no advantage over a 12ga. YOUR 444 may have an advantage over MY 12ga, but that's not the point.

In your specific circumstance, with your specific gun, you have an advantage, but it is not a generic advantage for the 444 over a 12ga. Quite the opposite actually.
 
Kodiak, there really is a long story. it happened in the morning, and we were on the road as soon as he was released from the clinic that afternoon, so we never learned much more.

We were at fisherman's bridge, down river of it a ways, parked in a lot, and he crossed a few hundred yards or so of ground to get to the river. The banks were obviously maneuverable to a guy in chest high waders, and the sandbar had vegetation. It was just past sunrise, maybe an hour or so, and the bear had obviously come in during the night. There was some traffic, the voices were carrying down the river, and he found himself trapped.

Don't know why he was there, maybe you're right about the carrion or kill. It makes sense.

But, as you can tell, it was trapped with it's back to deep water, and signs of people all around it. Dad went blundering right into the things comfort zone, and I'm sure it really wasn't so much surprised as just pushed too far. Dad reported that the thing came out running, and afterwards disappeared back into that loose patch of brush. So many unusual circumstances around it, but the biggest part of it was the fact that it almost certainly felt it had nowhere to go, and surrounded by danger.

If there hadn't been probably a hundred or more people within easy range, they'd have just blockaded it. The recon party came under attack. so, it was put down then. I imagine that the bear crossing the water, climbing the bank, and loping over the grass gave the guy plenty of time.
 
I see, yeah he probably did feel trapped with all the people around and the water barrier - thought he had a nice place to snooze away the day in that little thicket and then when the sun came up he was trapped. With the noise from the water, he may not have heard your Dad until he was too close. Grizzlies seem to have a "zone" of about 20 yards and if you get inside it, they'll usually attack.
Too bad they shot him, but in a crowded park with a lot of people it's not like they have any choice.

That's pretty much what happened to me - snuck in on a bear bed during the day and paid the price.
 
My little Marlin .444 with the extra weight and recoil of a 20 ga puts out substantially more muzzle energy than a 12 ga slugs but it carries with it the recoil of a .375 H&H magnum.


Your Marlin .444 kicks like a .375 H&H? The .450 Marlin I had didn't even kick like a .375. Maybe you are saying a 12 gauge slug carries the recoil of a .375 though I can't tell.
 
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Probably something like this :D

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My little Marlin .444 with the extra weight and recoil of a 20 ga puts out substantially more muzzle energy than a 12 ga slugs but it carries with it the recoil of a .375 H&H magnum.

Your Marlin .444 kicks like a .375 H&H? The .450 Marlin I had didn't even kick like a .375. Maybe you are saying a 12 gauge slug carries the recoil of a .375 though I can't tell.
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Sorry moosemike for not making it clear. If you look back at my previous posts, I noted some comments by Chuck Hawks who stated the recoil on the 12 ga was like that of the .375 H&H, not my little .444 Marlin which is a pleasure to shoot all day long with just a little bit of modification to get it that way.
 
I push a 105 howitzer around with a beehive round loaded up for just such an event....

Of course, pushing that cannon around is slow and loud, so I have never seen a bear:D
 
As I mentioned in an earlier posting I carried a Remington 660 in 350RM. Aso had a M600. Not fun guns to shoot but short, fast and can load a heavy bullet. None of the larger or variable scopes, thanx. Had aperture (peep) sights on one. Factory open sight on the other. Installed 1.5x but took it off.
 
Here's another situation in which I think the M-1 Garand would excel.
8 high-powered rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger.
If that doesn't stop a charging grizzly, then I guess it's just my time to die.
 
Throw the pepper spray away. Bears like their food seasoned same as you. I plan on tasting like $$it. Literally. It will probly be running down my legs.

When I'm fishing I have a 44 mag loaded heavy and when we're camping, there is a short 12 gauge standing close by loaded with 525gr slugs that I cast with a blunt nose. The way I load them, they kick, but there will be a 3/4" hole from nose thru tail on anything you point it at.

If I'm hunting, its just a 30-06.
 
With all the talk about recoil of a 12 ga. Is anyone taking into account using something like a knoxx compstock to reduce the recoil somewhat to make a follow up shot more manageable?
 
Bears

Been to AK a number of times fishing. Have seen where bears had been; have not, thankfully ever been where they are.
I'd want a rifle in one of the "reliable" stopping calibers, a cartridge with a history of "stopping" large, angry, dangerous animals - something on the order of a .375 or bigger. Ideally, I'd want it to be fast to bring to bear (on the bear) and I'd really want to be able to get in more than one shot without fumbling.
That calls for a double rifle - beyond the reach financially of most of us but that's what I'd want. Maybe a .450 or a .500 something.
About that .50 "to the dome"....nice trick if you can do it. I was looking at that video and at the way that animal was moving as it ran towards the camera. Good luck hitting the CNS on a target like that.
Pete
 
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