best .40 S&W ammo for self defense

Now this is something that only a TROLL of the highest order would say.

That may also explain why the .40 looks good on the ballistics charts and papers, but performs like the .25 acp on the street.
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Mark Milton,

You should never be allowed to give advice to anyone on the subject of firearms. All of your comments and so called proof in this thread alone can be held up as proof of that.
 
That may also explain why the .40 looks good on the ballistics charts and papers, but performs like the .25 acp on the street.
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Anyone who honestly believes the statement above to be true needs to have their head checked by a shrink.

Having said that...

No handgun is a 100% guaranteed "death-ray".
This is why we train to shoot repeatedly until the threat is neutralized.
Anyone who expects a "one-shot-stop" is probably going to get killed one day.
 
I'm just putting my .02 in...I have 165 grain Speer Gold Dots in my XD40. They feed just fine and they aren't the most expensive in the hollow point category. This is just my opinion, but you would be fine by having these in your XD40.
 
I'm going to also chime in and say that there are many cases of people not dying from .22's all the way up to 44 mags.Carry what you know best and have the most practice with.

I carry the .40 cal with fed 180 hst's,i'm fixing to trade my ammo out for Winchester Ranger 165 gr sxt or better known as eagle talons.Paid 28.50 a box of 50 rounds from www.tds-us.com
Btw you can also order fed 180 gr hst's for about the same as atg.
 
I'm going to also chime in and say that there are many cases of people not dying from .22's all the way up to 44 mags.Carry what you know best and have the most practice with.

I carry the .40 cal with fed 180 hst's,i'm fixing to trade my ammo out for Winchester Ranger 165 gr sxt or better known as eagle talons.Paid 28.50 a box of 50 rounds from www.tds-us.com
Btw you can also order fed 180 gr hst's for about the same as atg.
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I'd stick with the HST's personally. Every test/review of SXT's compared to HST's has had the HST's coming out on top. Whatever makes you happy though :)
 
R-P 165gr & 180gr Golden Saber
W-W 165gr & 180gr Ranger SXT
Federal 165gr & 180gr HST
Corbon 140gr & 155gr DPX
Speer 155gr & 180gr Gold Dot

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)
Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (Q4355)
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Forget about Hydra-Shoks, they're old-school tech.
[wtf are "Eagle Talons"?]

And FYI, there are main arteries in your legs that could cause you to bleed to death if severed..

Read my sig for the true definition of "stopping power"
 
That may also explain why the .40 looks good on the ballistics charts and papers, but performs like the .25 acp on the street.
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BAAAAAAAWWWWWHAAAAAAHHAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:barf:

Someone's mommy allowed Jr Mall Ninja too much time on the internet again.
 
That may also explain why the .40 looks good on the ballistics charts and papers, but performs like the .25 acp on the street.
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The internet is the place where people spew their ignorant, baseless opinions. There simply is no credible evidence of this conclusion, neither from M&S or Fackler.

If you tell him that any handgun caliber can have the same failure, all he does is spew more of the same BS.

You tell him to show the slightest bit of evidence, and he ignores it and spews more of the same.

You can't argue with a fool.
 
evidence?

I'm very impressed with your 'evidence' Mr. Milton... "a guy I know who's a cop", the local paper, and a Marcinko book. The only reason he's allowed to write anything about his time in the seals is that it's all hyperbole and reflection... any of the details are classified. Don't worry though, the rest of us who have been in the military and understand how ammo dumps and armories work (mr cz&px4) will straighten out the mess that you have left for people who are just looking for good information about ammunition. Please note that this thread is intended to discuss .40 S&W ammo, not the merits of the .40 caliber weapon.

Of course you might remember in 1986 there was a little throwdown in Miami in which an expertly trained bad guy took 12 hits from 9mm and .357 rounds, all over his body, while taking out 7 FBI agents(2 dead, 5 incapacitated). Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

All in all, it coomes down to the shooter being able to land a killing shot: a .25 ACP in the ear canal or eyeball is easily as effective as a .44 magnum anywhere.
 
I almost forgot!

That my point in writing about the Miami shootout was to mention that it was because of this critical failure of ammunition that the FBI began looking for a better caliber for duty carry. Although several of the agents were carrying S&W .357 magnums, they were loaded with .38 special to reduce recoil and cost, as well as S&W Parrabellum 9mm autopistols. After several tests in the lab and at the range in which the 10mm auto was developed, they decided on the .40 caliber because it was easier for smaller men and women to acquire killing shots (the 10mm kicks like a .357) without sacrificing in expansion, penetration and kinetic energy at impact, also known as knockdown power.
Don't argue with me, argue with wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10mm_auto
 
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I would suggest you go to the below site and scrool down to .40 cal. The data tells it all. http://www.internetarmory.com/handgunammo.htm
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Fictional Marshall & Sanow "One-Shot Stop" statistics

The .357 Magnum, in Remington or Federal JHP, 125 grains, is unquestionably the most effective handgun cartridge in existence. Its proven ability to produce one shot stops exceeds that of any other round, including more powerful cartridges such as the .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum.


If there is any downside to using the .357 Magnum for self-defense, it would relate to the blast and kick of full power loads. Controllability is extremely important in follow-up shot placement, and self-defense requires that shots be fired rapidly and accurately.

For those uncomfortable with the buck and roar of full-load .357 Magnum rounds, there exist a variety of lower recoil cartridges that are equally well suited to self defensive purposes. Because the .357 Magnum is such an incredible manstopper, little is lost by "downgrading" to more temperate ammunition.

The following cartridges are recommended for those who desire to reduce recoil of the .357 Magnum cartridge. Rounds are listed in decreasing order of recoil severity:

Winchester "Silvertip" JHP 145 grains 85%
Remington "Golden Saber" JHP 125 grains 84%
Federal JHP 110 grains 90%
Remington "Medium Velocity" JHP 125 grains 83%
Cor-Bon JHP 115 grains NA


For 2.5-inch and 3-inch short-barreled Magnum revolvers, the last two recommended cartridges represent excellent self-defense rounds. These cartridges are ideal for snub nose revolvers like the Smith & Wesson Models 66, 19, 65, and 13; the Colt King Cobra; the Ruger GP100 and especially the small frame Ruger SP101. Ammunition manufactured by Remington, Federal, CCI or Winchester in JHP, 110 grains, is also a good choice for use in snubbies or by those sensitive to recoil.

If recoil from a .357 Magnum revolver is still perceived to be excessive, considering carrying the .38 Special Cor-Bon +P+, JHP, 115 grains. This lighter round packs plenty of stopping power (83%). Its use may encourage accurate placement of multiple shots in a self defense situation due to its reduced kick when compared to the .357 Magnum.

Note that a .357 Magnum revolver can shoot both .357 and .38 Special ammunition. A .38 Special revolver can only shoot .38 Special ammunition.

For those owners of a Taurus or Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver that is still equipped with factory wooden grips, consider installing recoil-absorbing, ergonomic rubber grips. The difference in control afforded by these grips is enormous, and greatly aids rapid and accurate shooting.

For self defense, never carry soft points, semi-wadcutters, or any 158 grain or 180 grain JHP ammunition. These types of .357 Magnum cartridges are better suited to target shooting and hunting. The kick of the heavier bullets is correspondingly severe, possibly inhibiting follow up shots and accuracy when used to defend against aggression.

For practice, the all lead bullets are acceptable, but there are better choices, as the shooter will quickly discover when it is time to laboriously clean the lead fouling from the gun.

When selecting .357 Magnum cartridges for self protection, an individual can't go wrong by choosing JHP, 110 to 125 grains, made by any of the top five manufacturers


.45 ACP:

45 ACP Caliber:
One Shot Stopping Success: 63-94% (Actual)
Self Defense Rating: Best
Recommended Cartridges:

Federal "Hydra-Shok" JHP 230 grains 94%
Remington "Gold Sabre" JHPP 230 grains 93%
Cor-Bon JHP 185 grains 92%
Remington +P JHPP 185 grains 91%
CCI/Speer "Lawman" JHP 200 grains 88%
Federal JHP 185 grains 87%
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what a steaming pile of horse manure...
 
Stopping power is all about hitting the mark. .22 to 45 if you hit the mark you have a one shot kill there is no wonder bullet there are good and not so good roumds you have to place them for them to work.
This is a one shot kill with a 38spl of a rapist under the influence of Toulene

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Damnit, ammunitiontogo.com sent me Hydra Shoks instead of HST's. Ahh well I guess I will just use them as practice ammo.
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I'd send them back if you ordered HST's and they sent HS's. Their customer service has been great the times I dealt with them.
 
Stopping power is all about hitting the mark. .22 to 45 if you hit the mark you have a one shot kill there is no wonder bullet there are good and not so good roumds you have to place them for them to work.
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Exactly.

This is a one shot kill with a 38spl of a rapist under the influence of Toulene
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Nice shot.
 
all righty, im just getting into the gun collecting game( not really a game but u know im saying) my first weapon is a S&W m&p .40... ive been doing my lil research on ammo both target practice rounds and SD put em down rounds, ive looked at and ordered a single box of all rounds talked about in this thread to try out for myself. i have an aunt with a farm with a huge critter problem lol... so i figure plenty of testing opportunities.

and though im just getting my personall first gun(besides a bb gun here and there) ive been shooting for approximately 12 years, ive shot everything from .22 to the 12 gauge magnums. everything except the .50 cal i really want a desert eagle really bad hahahaa, but back to my point, i have really found a single piece of ammo that wouldn't make a dude wish he handnt been shot in the first place, ive seen and heard alot of people talk bad on the .40 s&w, makes me wanna have them experience one first hand lmao. but i love guns too much to risk it on a retard hahaaa. any who for my first post this thing is longer than hell... hahahaa:D
 
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