Beretta Barrels Unsupported ala Glock?

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You continue to cite facts that were "well documented" in the gun magazines, but then state that those same magazines are propaganda machines for the new wave of guns. You contradict yourself often
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It is obvious you read very little and understand what you read even less. Both statements are often true in the gun magazines. Not all is propaganda. If it was no one would read any of them. It is true that they under the thumb of the manufacturers but there is information contained in some of their articles that bears reading because they cover such a wide variety of topics some of which does not pertain to the evaluation of handguns. Also in the evaluation of handguns if you read between the lines and pay attention to what is said and not said about a particular weapon you often gain more knowledge than even they want you to know about a particular weapon. Of course if you do not read much or understand what you read then it is understandable that you would make such a statement like the one above. W.R.
 
I can't help but wonder if it were up to you would we still be shooting flintlocks?


If you think the 1911 or high power are flintlocks then you certainly have never owned one or aware of their merits. W.R.
 
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/endresen_v_beretta_usa.txt

http://www.outlawslegal.com/arms/stateguns.htm

Here are some links based upon a quick search of WR's court case link.


This is directly from the first link.

On November 25, 1991, Endresen purchased a used Beretta Model
92F 9 millimeter (mm) pistol from Scheels Hardware and Sports Shop,
Inc. (Scheels) in Minot. At the time, Endresen was 25 years old,
single, and living on his parents' farm near Ryder. On January 12,
1992, Endresen purchased at Scheels hollow point ammunition
remanufactured or reloaded by Accuracy, Inc. (Accuracy). The boxes
containing the ammunition did not identify it as reloaded
ammunition and Endresen was unaware of that fact. Olin Corporation
(Olin) manufactured the original shell casings for the reloaded
ammunition.

On January 14, 1992, Endresen was driving home after dark from
his job at Hill Top Repair, an equipment repair shop, when he saw
a rabbit pass in front of his pickup headlights. Endresen stopped,
stepped outside of his pickup, and fired the pistol at the rabbit.
He missed the rabbit and began shooting at a nearby fencepost for
target practice. According to Endresen:

"On the tenth round [the pistol] recoiled a lot harder than
normal. There was a bright flash and it, well everything in
my eye went red, black or I couldn't see anything."

A highly overpressured cartridge had burst near its head while
positioned in the pistol chamber.





The point being he shot a "highly overpressured" reload. If this happens in most any pistol it will cause grief.

Enough said!
 
WR-

Resulting to name calling is also indicative of a person who has an indefensible position.

I think the only person anyone wants to shut up around here is you. You cited ONE case about a .40 Kb. I will check it out when I get time, but with a docket# supplied I don't have any reason not to believe you. This is the only piece of factual, verifiable information you have supplied. I, on the other hand, have provided you with several sources of information-without being asked-for your reading pleasure. You have no response-you merely change the subject.

Gun magazines-I read many of them and I think I have a very good understanding of what they say. I don't consider it the gospel, either. You make so many contradictory statements it's unbelievable. They're propaganda machines, but they print fine information, but you have to read between the lines to understand what the actual meaning of the articles is? Apparantly you are the only one with the intellect to read between the lines and understand everything that is being written.

Neither I nor any of the other posters said that my new wave handgun is better than any other gun-new or old. You are the one drawing the distinction. You are the one with the predjudiced view-not the rest of us.

As far as never competing in proferssional bullseye shooting-yes I have, but I also know that bullseye shooting isn't the end-all, be-all of shooting. I happen to prefer IDPA.

You, WR, seem to read everything you read with blinders on. You have selective memory and only remember what is convenient to your point of view.

I never compared 1911s and the Hi-Power to flintlocks. Apparantly you couldn't get the philosophical comparison I was drawing (having trouble reading between the lines) that if people as close minded and resistent to change as you were responsible for firearms design and manufacture during that period, the state-of-the-art (for it's time) flintlock would have been the pinnacle of firearms technology. Why change? Accurate, reliable, fast to shoot/load, easy to maintain, etc.

As far as what I've read about Berettas, I've been to the factory twice. That's two more times than you have been. I think that I am in a little better position to comment on them than you, or some gun magazine guru for that matter. You supplied a docket number. I assume the case is true, although I don't know out of what context your information was taken.

Also WR, I've been to Winchester, Accurate Arms, Federal, Remington, Starline, Sierra, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, Remington, Ruger, etc. I also think that gives me a little more first hand knowledge about things of this nature than you with your wealth of gun knowledge gained from reading gun magazines. You are what is referred to as a "gun shop commando". A person who has read and done so much so as to eclipse everything that anyone else has seen or done.

If you are such an expert, why don't you lend some of your expertise to the companies listed above and help them produce a better product.

Regards,

Tom C

P.S. And while some of us can hold an adult conversation (granted with passionately divergent points of view), it is apparant that you, WR,have to resort to name calling. When the discussion degenerates to that level, I know that I am dealing with someone who, when the discussion turns against him, has to act like a child. I therefore invite you, WR, to have the last word (which something tells me you won't be able to resist).
 
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WR
“You were not paying much attention to what was being discussed.
The glock test that was given for the FBI was given by glock and the
guns were supplied to the FBI from glock”.

You are right I was not paying attention. Your craziness put me to sleep.
Something about 4-8 replies to each post.

The example I gave is only one way it can be done. There are
several more ways. You can take so called production units
from a mfg at that mfg’s test. Just be sure to test “compare”
them with randomly purchased “store bought units”.

I doubt a company like glock would jeopardize their world wide
rep just to fool the fbi. Testing the barrels and slides is just a
simple metallurgical test. What else would glock try to get by with?

Would you attempt this or would you do it differently?

I agree with you that aluminum sux.
1) If I remember correctly it loses 1/2 its strength at the temp that
water boils.
2) Aluminum is strong when loads are slowly stacked on. Sharp
impacts rip it apart.
 
WR -
Way back in the 1960's we ran ransom rest tests on hopped up .45 acp loads using light weight bullets of our own design.
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Are you sure it was a Ransom Rest? That company celebrated their 25th anniversary just this year.
 
To Mal. The rest belonged to a friend of mine. And lets face it the years slip away rather quickly. It doesnt matter who made the rest what matters is the results we obtained with it. W.R.
 
Here is some more documentation for some of you big mouths. See the American Rifleman Sept. 1996. This documents some of the blow ups and the resulting design changes in the Beretta. Then after reading it how about an apology. I find it amazing that some of you never read this or heard about it. Of course I will not get an apology. People who behave like some of you have do not know the meaning of an apology and if they do are not man enough to give one. W.R.
 
When the military bought the Beretta. Didn’t they get it for $175 ea.
I think that is what the contract was for. I think we paid 24-26k
for the hummer.
 
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