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Not to mention that more people own homes then ever in history. How many peopledo you know that DON'T own more then 1 car, 1 TV, IPODS, Computers, Cell phones etc...Still can't figure out why people want to come here.
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Question is who "owns" a product until it's paid for, people are more in debt
then ever, money buys less, wages lower, medical care going down the tubes,
etc.

Truth is I voted fro this administration but I don't like what I see and does
not appear we have anyone in the political pipe line who looks any better.

The middle-class is struggling and unless changes are made soon we will
become a rich/poor country.
 
I hate your signature MoW. I hate seeing it everywhere.

Wingman's right, this is fast beingcoming a nation of Have's & Have nots. Even the legislation pushing for a higher minimum wage was an example of moving in the wrong direction. Sure, you can have your 2 extra peanuts an hour, by the way, you won't mind us messing with the estate tax...

Too bad change ain't coming.
 
Mow, I may be wrong but I got, for $1.00 in 1992, it would cost $1.44 in 2006 for the same goods and services. That's an increase? What is a "CLI"?
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Which is nothing more then an increase of 3.1% per year over 16 years. You also didn't earn anywhere near the same and your property value wasn't anywhere near that amount. CLI---stands for Cost of Living Increase. As I said, you probably know few people who don't own a house, 1 or more cars, TV's, Computer, IPOD, VCR, CD's, DVD's etc...and if you do, I bet you can lead it straight back to their education(or lack there of).
 
Unemployment: eliminate 7.5 million illegal workers and there would be more than enough jobs for everyone who wanted to work.

Energy independence: eliminate environmental restrictions preventing drilling for more oil in the US and development of nuclear plants (there have been improvements in reactor design, efficiency and safety in the 10 years since the most recent US nuclear plant came online).

Value of the dollar: stop out-of-control government spending and the value of the dollar will spring back.

Estate tax: except in the context of government, taking the wealth someone has worked a lifetime to create would be seen as theft motivated by jealousy.

Foreign entanglements: overthrowing governments is cheap; building democracy is expensive; we can afford one, but not the other.
 
Seen the unemployment rate lately???
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I think the more pertinent question is, have you?



He barely mentions our people who are getting killed daily in "the war".

He barely mentions his "war on terrorism"
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I wonder why? Why would he only mention these things briefly in a statement so obviously and plainly focused on current economic issues. I just don't get it.:p

"Just treat us as we treat you?" I don't think other countries are happy the way we treat them. I certainly wouldn't them to treat us that way.Nagasaki,Hiroshima,Korea,Vietnam,Iraq,Iran,Israel,Russia,and on and on...
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Some of them probably aren't. I bet a good number of people in jail don't think that way either.

"Nuclear power is safe and clean??? Chernobyl,and other reactors haven't proven that to me.
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Nuclear power in the US has a better record of safety than pretty much any other major power source running. WGAF what the Russians crewed up? Our largest, and ONLY nuclear power incident didn't even cause any fatalities.

Beaureaucratic bullcrap.
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What's new?
 
Even the French have got new-cue-ler power pretty much figured out. I have read repeatedly that seventy-plus per cent of their electricity is generated by new-cue-ler powerplants, and I don't recall any "Chernobyl de la Francais" nor "La Trois Mile Ile" incidents, so it is possible, in practice, to do it safely and efficiently.

The real question remains: do we have the will to take real actions to reduce our dependence on foreign oil? Gas prices are heading back down (I saw $2.45 this weekend) so a lot of folks will grumble, fill up the SUV and head back to work.

Drill in Alaska or on the Gulf Coast? Nah, probably not. :rolleyes:

Build (or even discuss) new-cue-ler plants? NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard!!!) :eek:

Nope, these days, it's always up to Someone Else to Do Something (though God forbid someone actually try). The average "citizen" :barf: does nothing but bitch and point the finger...sacrificing nothing, initiating nothing, contributing nothing.

Thus endeth the Great Experiment (cancelled due to lack of interest) ...and more the pity.

RIP, ye will be missed.
 
Ah, then the same would hold true for 1999 correct?
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Actually, no. the Bush administration changed the calculations so the numbers looked better.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS15000000

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm

Without the "not in labor force" and "seasonal" adjustments the unemployment rate would be more like 7%.
 
you probably know few people who don't own a house, 1 or more cars, TV's, Computer, IPOD, VCR, CD's, DVD's etc...and if you do, I bet you can lead it straight back to their education(or lack there QUOTE

Education plays a small part in this. I know people with less education than me in better positions.
I know people with BA'S and Masters degrees who can't find a position.


Sure people got big houses.fancy cars,kids and they're in debt up to their ass. They can't think of missing a hour of work because they'd have to default on a payment.Ther're part of the stressed out rat race. I'm not.
That's no way to live.

Unemployment is a percentage. It'sthe number of new claims. Don't mean a thing except to make everybody believe all is well. That way maybe they'll spend more money. Also think of how many millions of people there is and figure 4% and that's a large number.Don't believe they hype.

Jobs? Hah! All the illegals are building houses,roads and taking any job they can get.Then they send the money home and disrupt our economy. They're bleeding us from within.

The US is in a terrible state and getting worse. Nobody wants to change it because they'll fall off the gravy train.
People who work hard and pay with cash are getting hurt. People who live on charge accounts are going to be hurt.
People with lots of cash rule. That's the way it is.
Have you looked at the employees of local and state governments. I have around here. Populated by African Americans and Spanish. Unemployment offices,public aid offices,tax offices,county courthouse,drivers license offices,mayors office,police depts,where's the white folks?

I think the more I read and see in daily life about all this,maybe the KKK had the right idea,but just went about it all wrong.
We are now the minorities. We are a displaced public of America.
Have you applied for welfare lately? The folks that get welfare and food stamps are minorities and have wads of cash in their pockets to send home,but buy groceries with food stamps that we pay for.

We can't enjoy our guns anymore because we're just waiting for the day we lose them to the gov.

So you all keep quoting government releases and statistics,and tell me how wonderful life is. Then perhaps you may want to talk to someone about reality.
 
Without the "not in labor force" and "seasonal" adjustments the unemployment rate would be more like 7%.
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Guess you didn't see the footnote at the bottom of your third link:
1 The population figures are not adjusted for seasonal variation; therefore, identical numbers appear in the unadjusted and seasonally adjusted columns.
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Education plays a small part in this.
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This is simply a grossly inaccurate statement! Please do some more research beofre espousing such statements. There are 1.000's of articles documneting just the opposite and explains a great deal of how people think
 
Sure people got big houses.fancy cars,kids and they're in debt up to their ass. They can't think of missing a hour of work because they'd have to default on a payment.
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Sounds to me like they never learned how to manage their money if that's the case--education again. If they truly have this problem then they have NO business owning a fancy car, big houses and the like.:rolleyes:
 
"Guess you didn't see the footnote at the bottom of your third link:

Quote:
1 The population figures are not adjusted for seasonal variation; therefore, identical numbers appear in the unadjusted and seasonally adjusted columns."

BWAAHAHAHAHA

He doesn't read the stuff he posts. He just makes guesses like the one about the unemployment rate really being 7%. The unemployment rate is a well defined statistic. No, it doesn't reflect people who aren't trying to get a job.
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"The unemployment rate is a misleading indicator for economic health, because it does not take into account the people who have run out of unemployment benefits, only the new unemployment claims."

I think you need to look at the Dept of Labor site. They do keep track of new unemployment claims, but that is not what they use to calculate the unemployment rate. The basic survey questions used are addressed in the following.

"Who is counted as unemployed?

Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work."
 
Sure people got big houses.fancy cars,kids and they're in debt up to their ass. They can't think of missing a hour of work because they'd have to default on a payment.Ther're part of the stressed out rat race. I'm not.
That's no way to live.
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The economy is not to blame for personal financial irresponsiblility. The person is to blame if they can't manage their money and live within their means.
I'd love to live in a 7,000 square foot house with a indoor 100 yard shooting range, but realisticly it's not within my means. So, I live in a 1400 square foot house and belong to a shooting club with a 200 yard range. I don't blaim the economy for not providing my wish.
 
Doubletaptap, I can’t say I am opposed to several of your Ideas but be advised I tried to submit some suggested changes the other night and, well lets just say it wasn’t pleasant.

But the fact remains that playing nice isn’t going to adequately deal with the problems we are faced with here, or abroad,

The fact that the ones that think they are the most important in this Country are so afraid of offending the people who are the most likely to cause us harm that they forbid any racial/ethnic profiling, but the fact is this practice has been and still in use on a daily basis in the form of an APB, or an Amber alert and it does work, so what is the problem with using it.

Some of your ideas will most likely get some negative feedback, possibly poisonous so be prepared.
 
MoW, I agree with your response about the Volunteer Army, but like other times the news media are focused on two things Our losses and when are we getting out.

I know people are hung up on the war effort and news is the one thing that lets them know how it is going but only from the Media standpoint, which is and has always been the Blood and Body count.

All war news should be delayed by at least 24 hours, maybe even more, it seems that the enemy who do watch TV also are getting planning information as fast as our troops are no wonder they seem to not be there when a unit reached an objective to take offensive action.
 
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gc70, the one thing you forgot to mention, is the refineries to process the oil, we are not allowed to drill for!
 
Doubletaptap, Just a thought on this subject, I think the most significant difference here is that People who have never had much, and don’t get the high paying jobs are the ones that work harder and even smarter that the People with the higher degree of education and the potentially high paying positions as opposed to JOBS.

When you don’t have it in your younger lives, you are for the most part, after they go through the spend crazy period, a lot more conservative and watchful of where the money is going, they take pride, not for granted, the things they acquire and tend to keep them longer.

From one who has been there?
 
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