Bayonet on a 500/590?
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It mounts on the barrel on a 590a1? Are you sure? Every Mossberg I am familiar with the bayonet mounts on the bracket that surrounds the magazine tube and the nut that threads on end of tube. I guess that the rear ring with mount could be considered part of the barrel assembly, but it is not the barrel itself.
Perpster, I have not, but my gut reaction is there'd be no change.
Back in the days of wood stocked infantry rifles and iron infantrymen, the SMLE used by the British had one set of sights, but fixing the bayonet changed the zero predictably. Brit soldiers were trained to adjust their hold.
The SMLE has lots more barrel metal of smaller diameter than Mossberg's pipes.
The Springfield 03 I took my first buck with was a low numbered job that had been through WWI. When I checked the zero the first time we found the battle sights were pretty much on at 125 yards instead of the 375 yard standard.
My coach, who had carried a Garand through Europe with the 29th Division, opined that a previous user had bayoneted something or someone hard enough to bend the barrel.
A couple things about bayonets on shotguns.....
First, while these were used in the past, I don't see any in the pics from our current difficulties. There's probably a good reason there. I don't see mounted on M4s either.
Second, considering how obsessed some folks are about getting the shortest legal shotgun possible, why are some of these same folks wanting to add 8-10" to the OA length?
Third, I'd wager the usual flagon of mead NONE of the folks who want bayonets have ever used one in a crisis.
Said coach above when I asked flat out if he had ever bayoneted anyone said he had worked very, very hard at not letting them get that close. I dropped the matter.
If the muzzle is pointed at the perp anyway, why not shoot? If your shotgun is empty, you've the options of ramming the muzzle into his COM or buttstroking the SOB.
Better yet, learn to not run it dry.....
Back in the days of wood stocked infantry rifles and iron infantrymen, the SMLE used by the British had one set of sights, but fixing the bayonet changed the zero predictably. Brit soldiers were trained to adjust their hold.
The SMLE has lots more barrel metal of smaller diameter than Mossberg's pipes.
The Springfield 03 I took my first buck with was a low numbered job that had been through WWI. When I checked the zero the first time we found the battle sights were pretty much on at 125 yards instead of the 375 yard standard.
My coach, who had carried a Garand through Europe with the 29th Division, opined that a previous user had bayoneted something or someone hard enough to bend the barrel.
A couple things about bayonets on shotguns.....
First, while these were used in the past, I don't see any in the pics from our current difficulties. There's probably a good reason there. I don't see mounted on M4s either.
Second, considering how obsessed some folks are about getting the shortest legal shotgun possible, why are some of these same folks wanting to add 8-10" to the OA length?
Third, I'd wager the usual flagon of mead NONE of the folks who want bayonets have ever used one in a crisis.
Said coach above when I asked flat out if he had ever bayoneted anyone said he had worked very, very hard at not letting them get that close. I dropped the matter.
If the muzzle is pointed at the perp anyway, why not shoot? If your shotgun is empty, you've the options of ramming the muzzle into his COM or buttstroking the SOB.
Better yet, learn to not run it dry.....
Dave,
Thank you for the story about your coach and bayonets. I doubt I would use a bayonet on my shotgun but I like having the option. There is something about seeing a sharp object that generates a visceral instinctive fear. It is akin to the learned fear of the sound/sight of a shotgun being shucked. Why not have to option for a "double threat"? I am limiting my discussion to a shotgun that would be used for close-in defense with shot shells, not an aimed slug gun. I do think you are correct that the bayonet could cause loss of zero etc, but at the distances I'm thinking of the effect would be negligible.
Thank you for the story about your coach and bayonets. I doubt I would use a bayonet on my shotgun but I like having the option. There is something about seeing a sharp object that generates a visceral instinctive fear. It is akin to the learned fear of the sound/sight of a shotgun being shucked. Why not have to option for a "double threat"? I am limiting my discussion to a shotgun that would be used for close-in defense with shot shells, not an aimed slug gun. I do think you are correct that the bayonet could cause loss of zero etc, but at the distances I'm thinking of the effect would be negligible.
scorpion_tyr
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I didn't want to post on this thread, but seeing as how it's still around I guess I will. Would I put a bayonet on a shotgun? No. Would it serve any purpose at all for me? No. Would I suggest it? No. Can it be done? Yes. Do I want to see pictures of it? Yes.
Vergeltung
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I have the 590, but I don't see the point of a bayonet for it. I don't see the use. the gun is scary looking enough for all but the most determined Zombie. 
chickenman
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oneounceload
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putting a bayonet on a shotgun loses you the ability to maneuver easily, looks ridiculous and really serves no purpose - grab a handgun if you're that worried.....you kill someone with that setup and a lawyer will ruin your life while you go to jail....
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Katrina Guy
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TRYING to understand this whole bayonet on shotgun thing
Most people (in here at least) purchase home defense shotguns, that is to say typically with a shorter barrel and higher mag capacity, shorter barrel for use inside one's home, and you want to add six to ten inches onto the end of your home defense shotgun? Would think that shotgun would now be bumping into walls and lamp shades and you name it, why not just get a longer firearm if length appears to be something some seem impressed with, alas, gals are correct, size matters apparently.
To each his own, it just appears to me that some just like the idea of having some kind of bad ass looking, looking perhaps more then functional, firearm.
No combat expert by any means here (me I mean) but cumbersome and additional length seem to be very unwanted assets in a combat situation...the equivelnt almost of choosing a Dirty Harry .44 mag two hander with 8" barrel instead of a semi auto pistol. Here's one, add a bayonet to an oversized handgun, yea now that would be cooooooool!
Most people (in here at least) purchase home defense shotguns, that is to say typically with a shorter barrel and higher mag capacity, shorter barrel for use inside one's home, and you want to add six to ten inches onto the end of your home defense shotgun? Would think that shotgun would now be bumping into walls and lamp shades and you name it, why not just get a longer firearm if length appears to be something some seem impressed with, alas, gals are correct, size matters apparently.
To each his own, it just appears to me that some just like the idea of having some kind of bad ass looking, looking perhaps more then functional, firearm.
No combat expert by any means here (me I mean) but cumbersome and additional length seem to be very unwanted assets in a combat situation...the equivelnt almost of choosing a Dirty Harry .44 mag two hander with 8" barrel instead of a semi auto pistol. Here's one, add a bayonet to an oversized handgun, yea now that would be cooooooool!
greensteelforge
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Not sure what the debate here is. Bayonets are a bit dated as a combat weapon, but still constitute a polearm if used properly. If you need a bayonet to defend your home, you most likely suffer from an over-active imagination. Home defense is not trench warfare, nor is it the kind of thing most of us really need to think too much about. A safe path of egress will get you allot farther than a bayonet in a gunfight. Lots of fun reading all the opinions out there (most obviously coming from guys who've never seen a live firefight). Violent fantasies are nothing but impotence. I'm well aware of what I can do, and can't fathom why any of you want to think this much about this kind of thing.
Not sure what the debate here is. Bayonets are a bit dated as a combat weapon, but still constitute a polearm if used properly. If you need a bayonet to defend your home, you most likely suffer from an over-active imagination. Home defense is not trench warfare, nor is it the kind of thing most of us really need to think too much about. A safe path of egress will get you allot farther than a bayonet in a gunfight. Lots of fun reading all the opinions out there (most obviously coming from guys who've never seen a live firefight). Violent fantasies are nothing but impotence. I'm well aware of what I can do, and can't fathom why any of you want to think this much about this kind of thing.