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Please take the time to fax a one page letter to Judge Lawerence O. Anderson at 602-514-7164 indicating your support for Robert Stewert. This needs do be done by 2 PM Thursday, Mesa AZ time.
BATF RAIDS MAADI-GRIFFIN!!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>>This info is from the Second Amendment Sisters AZ Coordinator, who lives
>in Mesa, AZ:
>
>Big fish to fry! It was confirmed in the local (Mesa AZ) newspaper today
>that Bob Stewart the owner of ..50bmg manufacturer, Maadi-Griffin was
>arrested Friday by the BATF. Mr. Stewart was arrested in his garage while
>his wife and children were inside their home. Seized in the raid was a
>"stockpile" of weapons, including 40 guns, boxes of ammunition, gun parts
>and the 3000 names of his customers.
>
>The BATF claims that Mr. Stewart is a convicted felon and has been selling
>his guns and gun kits over the Internet to bypass federal firearms laws.
>And that he advertises the fact that his kits require no FFL to purchase.
>
>Maadi-Griffin has been in business for 10 years without problems from the
>BATF.
>
>BATF agent Thomas Mangan said to the reporter, "we see no legitimate use
>for a gun like this, unless you are in the military". He went on to say,
>"no vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun
>like this".
>
>Mangan also said. "The kits are equipped with a part that prevents the gun
>from operating unless the part is removed by a machinist". In accordance
>with BATF regulations the kit is technically incapable of being
>fired. But Mangan said that the gun is so easily retrofitted to become
>operational that authorities felt Stewart was flagrantly violating gun
>regulations.
>
>Mr. Stewart said, "I have a wife and children, friends, church and all
>that. I am willing to die for this if I have to".
>
>The article went on to list his assets and listed the value of his home at
>$256,000. Sounds like asset forfeiture is next to come.
>
>This is my summary on this story:
>
>1. The guns were manufactured in accordance with BATF regs.
>
>2. Maadi-Griffin bypassed a "loophole" in the regs.
>
>3. Mr. Stewart was a "felon".
>
>4. 3000 persons have purchased this gun.
>
>5. Mr. Stewart has valuable assets.
>
>I believe that the BATF found it easier and more efficient to arrest Mr.
>Stewart instead of changing BATF regulations. In the name of bureaucratic
>efficiency they will destroy this man and his family. Do you think that
>the BATF will not do anything with the customer list?
>
>Plan on seeing more of this in the near future.[/quote]
>in Mesa, AZ:
>
>Big fish to fry! It was confirmed in the local (Mesa AZ) newspaper today
>that Bob Stewart the owner of ..50bmg manufacturer, Maadi-Griffin was
>arrested Friday by the BATF. Mr. Stewart was arrested in his garage while
>his wife and children were inside their home. Seized in the raid was a
>"stockpile" of weapons, including 40 guns, boxes of ammunition, gun parts
>and the 3000 names of his customers.
>
>The BATF claims that Mr. Stewart is a convicted felon and has been selling
>his guns and gun kits over the Internet to bypass federal firearms laws.
>And that he advertises the fact that his kits require no FFL to purchase.
>
>Maadi-Griffin has been in business for 10 years without problems from the
>BATF.
>
>BATF agent Thomas Mangan said to the reporter, "we see no legitimate use
>for a gun like this, unless you are in the military". He went on to say,
>"no vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun
>like this".
>
>Mangan also said. "The kits are equipped with a part that prevents the gun
>from operating unless the part is removed by a machinist". In accordance
>with BATF regulations the kit is technically incapable of being
>fired. But Mangan said that the gun is so easily retrofitted to become
>operational that authorities felt Stewart was flagrantly violating gun
>regulations.
>
>Mr. Stewart said, "I have a wife and children, friends, church and all
>that. I am willing to die for this if I have to".
>
>The article went on to list his assets and listed the value of his home at
>$256,000. Sounds like asset forfeiture is next to come.
>
>This is my summary on this story:
>
>1. The guns were manufactured in accordance with BATF regs.
>
>2. Maadi-Griffin bypassed a "loophole" in the regs.
>
>3. Mr. Stewart was a "felon".
>
>4. 3000 persons have purchased this gun.
>
>5. Mr. Stewart has valuable assets.
>
>I believe that the BATF found it easier and more efficient to arrest Mr.
>Stewart instead of changing BATF regulations. In the name of bureaucratic
>efficiency they will destroy this man and his family. Do you think that
>the BATF will not do anything with the customer list?
>
>Plan on seeing more of this in the near future.[/quote]
I bid $50 for a fund to purchase his company should he be found unable to run it. If he goes under, Let's buy his plans and start a new version of his company. Won't that pi$$off the ATF.
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Which comment embraced the full philosophy of the Gunfighter"
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simonov jr
New member
Item was on the Arizona Republic's website but have to register there (yuck) to get it.
* * * *
Mesa gun advocate is jailed after raid
By Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 20, 2000
A Mesa constitutionalist who claims all U.S. gun laws are illegal was jailed Friday after federal agents serving a search warrant at his home discovered a cache of weapons, including machine guns and kits to build .50-caliber guns.
Robert Wilson Stewart, 61, was arrested at his residential business in the 2800 block of North 34th Place and accused of being a convicted felon in possession of firearms.
Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms were led to the home by a Web site and magazine ads offering the large-caliber gun kits for sale by a company called MAADI-griffin. Kit guns don't fire, but buyers can easily alter them to operate.
In a jailhouse interview Monday, Stewart acknowledged that he pleaded guilty to possessing a machine gun in 1993, and that he kept machine guns and other firearms at his home. But he insisted that he was acting within his rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
Stewart, a former high school history teacher who has three children younger than 8, said he's sickened at the prospect of going to prison for years. However, he added, ''I would give my life tomorrow . . . if I could restore the civil rights to this country.''
So-called patriot Internet sites buzzed with news of the arrest Monday, and reviled the ATF. The Web scribes noted that Stewart had agreed to help sponsor the ''50 Million Round March,'' a Father's Day event in which gun-rights advocates planned to fire 50 million shots at firearm ranges nationwide. That plan was wiped out when ATF agents raided Stewart's home and handcuffed him at gunpoint.
Tom Mangan, special agent with the ATF, said investigators seized 38 weapons at Stewart's house, including a fully functional Uzi and five other machine guns.
One of Stewart's Web pages on constitutional rights declares that ''all gun laws, restrictions, regulations, controls, taxes , etc. are illegal.''
During the interview, Stewart recited articles from the Constitution, delivered a history lecture and said the right to bear arms was inspired by God as a protection against tyrannical government.
Stewart harkened to 1928, when his grandmother was able to buy a Thompson submachine gun through the mail. He said he was targeted for arrest by President Clinton as part of a campaign to disarm Americans. He believes the Oklahoma City bombing was done by authorities, also in a bid to pass anti-terrorism legislation and erode gun rights.
Stewart acknowledged that firearms are his business. His gun kits sell for $1,824 and, after modifications, produce rifles accurate up to a mile away. The weapons fire a bullet that is 5.4 inches long, weighs 4 ounces and can penetrate armor.
Stewart acknowledged that his kit guns can be made functional with minor work. He said more than 500 models have been sold, and all probably were altered to shoot by owners who obtained them for recreation, or for defense against the government.
Stewart is to appear at U.S. District Court in Phoenix today for a bail hearing. Mangan said additional felony charges are expected
* * * *
Mesa gun advocate is jailed after raid
By Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 20, 2000
A Mesa constitutionalist who claims all U.S. gun laws are illegal was jailed Friday after federal agents serving a search warrant at his home discovered a cache of weapons, including machine guns and kits to build .50-caliber guns.
Robert Wilson Stewart, 61, was arrested at his residential business in the 2800 block of North 34th Place and accused of being a convicted felon in possession of firearms.
Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms were led to the home by a Web site and magazine ads offering the large-caliber gun kits for sale by a company called MAADI-griffin. Kit guns don't fire, but buyers can easily alter them to operate.
In a jailhouse interview Monday, Stewart acknowledged that he pleaded guilty to possessing a machine gun in 1993, and that he kept machine guns and other firearms at his home. But he insisted that he was acting within his rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
Stewart, a former high school history teacher who has three children younger than 8, said he's sickened at the prospect of going to prison for years. However, he added, ''I would give my life tomorrow . . . if I could restore the civil rights to this country.''
So-called patriot Internet sites buzzed with news of the arrest Monday, and reviled the ATF. The Web scribes noted that Stewart had agreed to help sponsor the ''50 Million Round March,'' a Father's Day event in which gun-rights advocates planned to fire 50 million shots at firearm ranges nationwide. That plan was wiped out when ATF agents raided Stewart's home and handcuffed him at gunpoint.
Tom Mangan, special agent with the ATF, said investigators seized 38 weapons at Stewart's house, including a fully functional Uzi and five other machine guns.
One of Stewart's Web pages on constitutional rights declares that ''all gun laws, restrictions, regulations, controls, taxes , etc. are illegal.''
During the interview, Stewart recited articles from the Constitution, delivered a history lecture and said the right to bear arms was inspired by God as a protection against tyrannical government.
Stewart harkened to 1928, when his grandmother was able to buy a Thompson submachine gun through the mail. He said he was targeted for arrest by President Clinton as part of a campaign to disarm Americans. He believes the Oklahoma City bombing was done by authorities, also in a bid to pass anti-terrorism legislation and erode gun rights.
Stewart acknowledged that firearms are his business. His gun kits sell for $1,824 and, after modifications, produce rifles accurate up to a mile away. The weapons fire a bullet that is 5.4 inches long, weighs 4 ounces and can penetrate armor.
Stewart acknowledged that his kit guns can be made functional with minor work. He said more than 500 models have been sold, and all probably were altered to shoot by owners who obtained them for recreation, or for defense against the government.
Stewart is to appear at U.S. District Court in Phoenix today for a bail hearing. Mangan said additional felony charges are expected
simonov jr
New member
To: Judge Lawerence O. Anderson
Fx: 602-514-7164
From: Sim Jr
Re: Bob Stewart
Your honor:
I am writing to you because I have heard that Bob Stewart, who I have known for several years, is now in jail and awaiting charges. Bob is an honest, hard-working family man, and is not a law-breaker or criminal. He is a productive member of society, and through his business has allowed a lot of honest Americans to enjoy the legal and recreational use of firearms. I fear that he has been singled out by the ATF, who are making an example of him. I understand that they have made a leap of logic in the interpretation, or should I say, RE-interpretation of their own regs, in order to place Bob in custody. I also understand that they have “confiscated” the list of all of his customers, which list I among others will be on. Does that sound right to you? Lists of Americans held by the government? Your Honor, I fear the precedent such an action sets, and wonder if the ATF is not attempting to use the Courts to enact that which the legislature will not pass. Please dismiss these charges against Bob, and leave him to the rightful custody of his loving family.
Signed, Sim Jr
Lets send ALOT of these to support Bob!
Fx: 602-514-7164
From: Sim Jr
Re: Bob Stewart
Your honor:
I am writing to you because I have heard that Bob Stewart, who I have known for several years, is now in jail and awaiting charges. Bob is an honest, hard-working family man, and is not a law-breaker or criminal. He is a productive member of society, and through his business has allowed a lot of honest Americans to enjoy the legal and recreational use of firearms. I fear that he has been singled out by the ATF, who are making an example of him. I understand that they have made a leap of logic in the interpretation, or should I say, RE-interpretation of their own regs, in order to place Bob in custody. I also understand that they have “confiscated” the list of all of his customers, which list I among others will be on. Does that sound right to you? Lists of Americans held by the government? Your Honor, I fear the precedent such an action sets, and wonder if the ATF is not attempting to use the Courts to enact that which the legislature will not pass. Please dismiss these charges against Bob, and leave him to the rightful custody of his loving family.
Signed, Sim Jr
Lets send ALOT of these to support Bob!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Bob is an honest, hard-working family man, and is not a law-breaker or criminal.[/quote]
Umm...not quite.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In a jailhouse interview Monday, Stewart acknowledged that he pleaded guilty to possessing a machine gun in 1993, and that he kept machine guns and other firearms at his home. [/quote]
He pled guilty to the charge in 1993. He knows the law. He should have expected this.
LawDog
[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited June 20, 2000).]
Umm...not quite.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In a jailhouse interview Monday, Stewart acknowledged that he pleaded guilty to possessing a machine gun in 1993, and that he kept machine guns and other firearms at his home. [/quote]
He pled guilty to the charge in 1993. He knows the law. He should have expected this.
LawDog
[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited June 20, 2000).]
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
You guys may have missed something:
3,000 names of customers.
Where to you think these ATF guys are going after they are done with Mr Stewart?
If you have one of these guns - I'ld file a theft report with the police - right now.
Sorry Mr ATF guy, but that was stolen 3 days ago - check the police report...
3,000 names of customers.
Where to you think these ATF guys are going after they are done with Mr Stewart?
If you have one of these guns - I'ld file a theft report with the police - right now.
Sorry Mr ATF guy, but that was stolen 3 days ago - check the police report...
OK, I'll probably catch some bovine effluvium for this...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Date: 20 June 2000
To: Judge Lawrence O. Anderson
Re: Robert Stewart
Your Honor:
I view the arrest and detainment of Mr. Stewart with the greatest alarm. Not because I’m a criminal or have anything to hide, but because the precedent set by this raid could very well be the final straw.
Mr. Stewart has apparently broken no malum in se laws, but rather ran afoul (and even that much is questionable) of ATF’s malum prohibitum regulations. He has harmed absolutely no one; therefore, he has committed no crime. If ATF is allowed to assault people at will, without so much as a nod to due process and the Constitution, the resulting backlash will be truly horrendous. ATF will have truly become “jackbooted stormtroopers,” above the law and its consequences, and answerable to no one.
Your Honor, please consider that the command language of the Second Amendment is “…The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Nothing in the Second can logically be interpreted to include “…as long as the Government approves of those Arms.”
ATF and DOJ have acted in a blatantly illegal and unconstitutional manner. Please, Your Honor, dismiss the fraudulent charges against Mr. Stewart, lest a similar fate befall other American citizens.
Sincerely, etc
[/quote]
(mental note: make sure the AR is cleaned and loaded when I get home tonight...)
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Date: 20 June 2000
To: Judge Lawrence O. Anderson
Re: Robert Stewart
Your Honor:
I view the arrest and detainment of Mr. Stewart with the greatest alarm. Not because I’m a criminal or have anything to hide, but because the precedent set by this raid could very well be the final straw.
Mr. Stewart has apparently broken no malum in se laws, but rather ran afoul (and even that much is questionable) of ATF’s malum prohibitum regulations. He has harmed absolutely no one; therefore, he has committed no crime. If ATF is allowed to assault people at will, without so much as a nod to due process and the Constitution, the resulting backlash will be truly horrendous. ATF will have truly become “jackbooted stormtroopers,” above the law and its consequences, and answerable to no one.
Your Honor, please consider that the command language of the Second Amendment is “…The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Nothing in the Second can logically be interpreted to include “…as long as the Government approves of those Arms.”
ATF and DOJ have acted in a blatantly illegal and unconstitutional manner. Please, Your Honor, dismiss the fraudulent charges against Mr. Stewart, lest a similar fate befall other American citizens.
Sincerely, etc
[/quote]
(mental note: make sure the AR is cleaned and loaded when I get home tonight...)
Bob was going to donate kits to help fund & promote the 50MRM efforts
ATF vs. Bob Stewart: The Whole Story http://www.sierratimes.com/araz062000.htm By Matt Burgard - Arizona Trbune- Posted: 06.20.00
Federal agents are calling Robert Stewart a convicted felon who illegally distributed gun kits over the Internet in an effort to bypass gun control regulations and
background restrictions. Gun advocates, however, are calling him a patriot.
The 61-year-old Mesa man, a former high school history teacher who has been selling guns for 10 years, called himself a prisoner of conscience.
"I just believe strongly that we need to defend our basic constitutional principles," Stewart said from a Maricopa County jail Monday night. "I have a wife and
children that I love, friends, church and all that. But I'm willing to die for this if I have to."
Stewart's arrest Friday night at his northeast Mesa home has made him the latest hero among anti-government protesters who claim their constitutional rights as
gun-owners are being trampled.
"It's starting folks...we're just waiting for the crack of muskets," wrote one member of an on-line message board devoted to gun rights Monday. The message
board has a link to Stewart's gun kit distribution web site, which he has operated since moving to Arizona from Utah four years ago.
Stewart, who was convicted on a federal felony gun possession charge in 1994, was arrested once more Friday at his home in the 2800 block of North 34th Place.
ATF agents issued a search warrant at his home about 7 p.m. and took Stewart into custody in his garage. His wife, Naomi, and their three children were inside the
house.
Thomas Mangan, a spokesman for the Phoenix branch of the ATF, said agents were surprised to find a stockpile of various weapons in the home, including 40
guns, boxes of ammunition and gun parts. They also seized computer records which contain the names of Stewart's customers, estimated at more than 3,000
people.
Stewart, who is to be arraigned this morning in a federal courtroom, called the agents who arrested him "thugs" but stopped short of associating himself with
militia groups or others who advocate a violent insurrection against the federal government.
"All I'm saying is that if they keep eroding our basic rights of gun ownership, then all our other rights will soon follow," he said. "I think people should use their
democratic rights to elect people who will make sure that doesn't happen."
Stewart's company, Maadi-Griffin, has been selling 50-caliber gun kits over the Internet, allowing buyers to obtain the parts to make assault rifles without having
to go through background checks or registration procedures, Mangan said. The kits are equipped with a part that prevents the gun from operating unless the part is
removed by a machinist.
Stewart and other gun advocates say the kit does not fall under gun regulations because it is technically incapable of being fired. But Mangan said the guns are so
easily retrofitted to become operational that authorities felt Stewart was flagrantly violating gun regulations.
"To say these weapons aren't meant for firing is a joke," he said.
The kits require assembly of various parts that, when retrofitted, form a single-shot rifle capable of firing four-to-five inch shells. The shells are capable of firing
up to 3,000 meters and can penetrate an inch and a half of steel, Mangan said.
"We see no legitimate use for a gun like this unless you're in the military," he said. "No vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun like
this."
Ross Bruner of Mesa, a friend of Stewart's and a fellow gun rights supporter, said the government has lost its focus, concentrating on law-abiding citizens instead
of gun-wielding criminals.
"It's a total rip-off, is what I think," Bruner said. "The government has its legal place, but this isn't it."
Federal authorities said Stewart made "substantial" money selling the kits over the Internet. His home, which has a listed value of $256,000 in county land records,
has undergone several renovations in recent years, records show.
Stewart estimated he has sold over 3,000 kits in the 10 years he has operated the company.
"We don't sell a lot, enough to get by," he said.
His company sells the kits for up to $4,250 for a model MG-6 semi-automatic 50-caliber gun, his web site showed. Inside his home Friday, agents found
50-caliber rifles along with six fully automatic machine guns, a "street sweeper" gun and several pistols, Mangan said.
Under federal law, Stewart is not legally able to own the guns because of his previous felony conviction, a record that Stewart claims was part of an illicit 1993
undercover FBI crackdown on guns in Utah.
Advertisements for Stewart's gun kits, both on the web and in periodicals such as "Shotgun News," frequently mention that the kits can be purchased with "No
FFL" required. That means the kits require no federal firearm license, which is how authorities keep track of weapons, Mangan said.
Stewart said his wife and the rest of his family are supporting his stance against governmental intrusion, even if it means his children go without a father.
"This place disgusts me," he said, looking around the jail. "But maybe this will be the jolt America needs to wake up. Our rights are being eroded."
ATF vs. Bob Stewart: The Whole Story http://www.sierratimes.com/araz062000.htm By Matt Burgard - Arizona Trbune- Posted: 06.20.00
Federal agents are calling Robert Stewart a convicted felon who illegally distributed gun kits over the Internet in an effort to bypass gun control regulations and
background restrictions. Gun advocates, however, are calling him a patriot.
The 61-year-old Mesa man, a former high school history teacher who has been selling guns for 10 years, called himself a prisoner of conscience.
"I just believe strongly that we need to defend our basic constitutional principles," Stewart said from a Maricopa County jail Monday night. "I have a wife and
children that I love, friends, church and all that. But I'm willing to die for this if I have to."
Stewart's arrest Friday night at his northeast Mesa home has made him the latest hero among anti-government protesters who claim their constitutional rights as
gun-owners are being trampled.
"It's starting folks...we're just waiting for the crack of muskets," wrote one member of an on-line message board devoted to gun rights Monday. The message
board has a link to Stewart's gun kit distribution web site, which he has operated since moving to Arizona from Utah four years ago.
Stewart, who was convicted on a federal felony gun possession charge in 1994, was arrested once more Friday at his home in the 2800 block of North 34th Place.
ATF agents issued a search warrant at his home about 7 p.m. and took Stewart into custody in his garage. His wife, Naomi, and their three children were inside the
house.
Thomas Mangan, a spokesman for the Phoenix branch of the ATF, said agents were surprised to find a stockpile of various weapons in the home, including 40
guns, boxes of ammunition and gun parts. They also seized computer records which contain the names of Stewart's customers, estimated at more than 3,000
people.
Stewart, who is to be arraigned this morning in a federal courtroom, called the agents who arrested him "thugs" but stopped short of associating himself with
militia groups or others who advocate a violent insurrection against the federal government.
"All I'm saying is that if they keep eroding our basic rights of gun ownership, then all our other rights will soon follow," he said. "I think people should use their
democratic rights to elect people who will make sure that doesn't happen."
Stewart's company, Maadi-Griffin, has been selling 50-caliber gun kits over the Internet, allowing buyers to obtain the parts to make assault rifles without having
to go through background checks or registration procedures, Mangan said. The kits are equipped with a part that prevents the gun from operating unless the part is
removed by a machinist.
Stewart and other gun advocates say the kit does not fall under gun regulations because it is technically incapable of being fired. But Mangan said the guns are so
easily retrofitted to become operational that authorities felt Stewart was flagrantly violating gun regulations.
"To say these weapons aren't meant for firing is a joke," he said.
The kits require assembly of various parts that, when retrofitted, form a single-shot rifle capable of firing four-to-five inch shells. The shells are capable of firing
up to 3,000 meters and can penetrate an inch and a half of steel, Mangan said.
"We see no legitimate use for a gun like this unless you're in the military," he said. "No vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun like
this."
Ross Bruner of Mesa, a friend of Stewart's and a fellow gun rights supporter, said the government has lost its focus, concentrating on law-abiding citizens instead
of gun-wielding criminals.
"It's a total rip-off, is what I think," Bruner said. "The government has its legal place, but this isn't it."
Federal authorities said Stewart made "substantial" money selling the kits over the Internet. His home, which has a listed value of $256,000 in county land records,
has undergone several renovations in recent years, records show.
Stewart estimated he has sold over 3,000 kits in the 10 years he has operated the company.
"We don't sell a lot, enough to get by," he said.
His company sells the kits for up to $4,250 for a model MG-6 semi-automatic 50-caliber gun, his web site showed. Inside his home Friday, agents found
50-caliber rifles along with six fully automatic machine guns, a "street sweeper" gun and several pistols, Mangan said.
Under federal law, Stewart is not legally able to own the guns because of his previous felony conviction, a record that Stewart claims was part of an illicit 1993
undercover FBI crackdown on guns in Utah.
Advertisements for Stewart's gun kits, both on the web and in periodicals such as "Shotgun News," frequently mention that the kits can be purchased with "No
FFL" required. That means the kits require no federal firearm license, which is how authorities keep track of weapons, Mangan said.
Stewart said his wife and the rest of his family are supporting his stance against governmental intrusion, even if it means his children go without a father.
"This place disgusts me," he said, looking around the jail. "But maybe this will be the jolt America needs to wake up. Our rights are being eroded."
Lawdog,
He is certainly NOT guilty of this felony. His owning a automatic firearm does not infringe upon anyone else's rights, unless he used it in the commision of a REAL crime. (please note the operative word real.)
Maybe it's time we stop mincing words and start standing up for what the supreme law of this land is.
Registering and paying a tax on an automatic weapon is not constitutional law, and the practice of civil disobedience against unconsitutional law needs to be SUPPORTED by ALL of us.
The lines are becoming clearer, and pretty soon anyone left straddling the picket fence are going to get slivers up their arse.
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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
He is certainly NOT guilty of this felony. His owning a automatic firearm does not infringe upon anyone else's rights, unless he used it in the commision of a REAL crime. (please note the operative word real.)
Maybe it's time we stop mincing words and start standing up for what the supreme law of this land is.
Registering and paying a tax on an automatic weapon is not constitutional law, and the practice of civil disobedience against unconsitutional law needs to be SUPPORTED by ALL of us.
The lines are becoming clearer, and pretty soon anyone left straddling the picket fence are going to get slivers up their arse.
------------------
John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
simonov jr
New member
Lots of references in these and other articles to "on-line militia and gun-owner discussion boards". That's US folks. Think the reporters are frequenting these boards? I doubt it somehow. Who's telling the media about what is on "these" boards? We are ALL on candid camera right now, some faceless beaurocrat (probably a GS-7 or so) "monitoring" our speech. Kind of makes ya think...
Mao Tse Tung was right.
All power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
The BATF knows this, otherwise they would have come for Bob with flowers and candy or not at all.
Why they fear/hate us (and Bob) is obvious. We are the last barrier to their total repression of the people of the United States of America.
I certainly hope that this is the incident that gets us off of our butts and into the streets.
Repression sucks.
Either do something about it NOW, or live as slaves.
Later, it will be TOO late.
Foaming at the mouth,
Mad Dog
"Give me Liberty, or give me death!"
-Patriot Patrick Henry
All power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
The BATF knows this, otherwise they would have come for Bob with flowers and candy or not at all.
Why they fear/hate us (and Bob) is obvious. We are the last barrier to their total repression of the people of the United States of America.
I certainly hope that this is the incident that gets us off of our butts and into the streets.
Repression sucks.
Either do something about it NOW, or live as slaves.
Later, it will be TOO late.
Foaming at the mouth,
Mad Dog
"Give me Liberty, or give me death!"
-Patriot Patrick Henry
p l i n k e r
Moderator
The NRA's enforcement of gun laws kind of s*cks doesn't it?
Juan Hunt Greer
New member
You're right, DZ. I guess now it's greasing, canning, and burying time.
crankshaft
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Methinks LawDog has a point! BUT what disturbs me is the statement by BATF Agent T. Mangan, to wit:
"We see no legitimate use for a gun like this, unless you are in the military. No vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun like this".
And I suppose his point is that the only reason to own one of these is to ambush an LEO. That is an unwarranted assumption and it's prior constraint. It is getting to be a real problem in this country. Why don't we just start issuing muzzles to theatre goers. You know, to prevent the possibility of them yelling "FIRE!" and causing serious injury in the ensuing rush to evacuate.
Oh, that's right! I forgot! The Supreme Court ruled against that some years ago!
Do you think the SC will remind someone of that in "Emerson"? I don't know if it has been mentioned in arguments. Of course, to use that argument assumes the right to keep and bear arms. Can't have that!
[This message has been edited by sensop (edited June 21, 2000).]
"We see no legitimate use for a gun like this, unless you are in the military. No vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun like this".
And I suppose his point is that the only reason to own one of these is to ambush an LEO. That is an unwarranted assumption and it's prior constraint. It is getting to be a real problem in this country. Why don't we just start issuing muzzles to theatre goers. You know, to prevent the possibility of them yelling "FIRE!" and causing serious injury in the ensuing rush to evacuate.
Oh, that's right! I forgot! The Supreme Court ruled against that some years ago!
Do you think the SC will remind someone of that in "Emerson"? I don't know if it has been mentioned in arguments. Of course, to use that argument assumes the right to keep and bear arms. Can't have that!
[This message has been edited by sensop (edited June 21, 2000).]
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