BAN SUV's

I own and drive a GMC Suburban :D And I love every minute of it :D My a** has become part of the seat, If ever in an accident the Rescue Squad will have to cut leather to get me unattached.
I bought the thing to pull my boat which I don't own anymore :( To me it is the Caddy of trucks. When its time for something new will I get another? You Bet.
As its been said above I've had more problems with the morons in their rice burning sardine cans and their lookalike wannabes tailgating and talking on their cell phones.
In all my years of driving any accident I was involved in was caused by someone else, And that is a fact.
Lets just say No to Moron Drivers ;)

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I'm with TAZ. any vehicle can be driven well, it's the idiot factor that counts. I have an abiding hatred of SUV's, mostly because of the morons they appeal to. I can dig SUV's for those who actually go off-road, who tow stuff, or have bunches of things to haul, but for the average suburban butthole whole can't feature a mommivan (an infinitely more useful vehicle for most of 'em), they're a disaster. I also hate Volvo's for much the same reasons - most Volvo drivers (60%) buy them because they're "safe". These sheeple don't like to drive, find the basic act intimidating (they'd be indecisive, tentative, timid, timorous drivers in anything they'd chose to drive and really should sick to walking or publik transportation),but they want to be 'safe', so they bought Volvos. Then there's the yuppie scum who also buy them also 'cause they're 'safe', which absolves them from paying attention, 'cause the car will save thier sorry butts. For the remainder (<10% of the Volvo buyers) who just want a sturdy, well-made car, well, there's no accounting for taste, but Volvos are OK. I still hate USV's tho, especially when I hear their owneer whine about gas prices.

I drive a BMW, and yes, I really DO own this Gawddamn left lane. I modify B-27 with a cell phone sillohuette by the right ear, and I'm getting good at hittin' 'em, :) :): :) :). My day will come, rant off. M2
 
You know, let's face it. There are sadly, but inescapably, those motorist that desperately need to be ran over. Frankly running them down with an SUV is far more human than hitting them with a sub-compact and then being forced to back over them several time to finish them off.

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Gunslinger
 
So are we gonna have Pre-Ban SUV's & Post-Ban SUV's? :)

You won't be able to have:
Hi-Cap Fuel Tanks,
Those damn green-blue headlights,
Duelies,
Twin Exhaust...

The new ones will have 55mph engine governors, five-point safety harnesses, two-channel preset AM radio set to "easy listening" and "24 hour hog price & grain reports", 1liter/45hp/Wankel-engine.....
;)
I'll keep my little sedan thankyouverymuch.
-Kframe

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dangerous drivers are dangerous no matter what kind of vehicle they pilot. And when 2 objects collide- it's the Laws of Physics that apply. You can't change physics with legislation.
I drive a Ford F250 SuperDuty 4x4 quad cab with a 300hp V10, but if I tangle with a Kenworth rig, my truck won't be big enough.
Taz is right- Ban stupid people!
 
It seems to me that 2000 Colorado highway deaths a year (SUVs or not) is extremely high. I'm not an expert on highway accident statistics, but this must be flawed. Maybe the DOT guy misquoted the statistic and it was suppose to be 200. Or maybe it was supposed to be 10 years. Or maybe it was supposed to be for the entire U.S. Anyway, the credibility of this statistic is questionable. Of course it could also be that I'm full of s##t.
 
It's all "trends". My fiancee got a Grand Cherokee before it was cool. Now she wants to get rid of it because everyone has one.

I have convinced her not to get rid of it so far. My reason? Every few weekends me and my freinds get togather for a private Dakar rally. You know! A few 4wd's, a six pack, 10 to 20 miles of private dirt roads and the desire to get stuck. Great fun!

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dongun, that statistic sounds right. There are well over 100,000 car deaths in this country every year.

I love the people who buy SUVs like the Explorer, Bravada, Pathfinder, etc because they need to carry lots of stuff when you can easily point to several station wagons that carry a lot more, get better gas mileage, handle better, and cost less.

I don't knock anyone's decision to own one, but I certainly don't understand it. $33,000 for a FWD Expedition? I really MUST be missing something. Then again, I like to drive.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mikul:
I love the people who buy SUVs like the Explorer, Bravada, Pathfinder, etc because they need to carry lots of stuff when you can easily point to several station wagons that carry a lot more, get better gas mileage, handle better, and cost less.[/quote]

For starters:
I tow a 4500 lb Center Console Boat. Tell me where I can find a station wagon that can tow that much.

Secondly, I do a lot of fishing. Some areas can only be accessed with a 4wd vehicle that IS HIGH off the ground. A station wagon does not meet that need.

If you want to knock SUVs, then lets ban tractor trailers, buses, trains, airplanes, factories, baby pools, dogs, etc. In order for you to have the luxuries you want, others deserve the same freedom of choice.

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[This message has been edited by ArmySon (edited July 13, 2000).]
 
I think maybe some of you missed my point - statistically, you are more likely to die from striking a roadside object than being struck by/striking another vehicle, whatever that vehicle is. When you slam into something that doesn't crumple or move (like an oak tree), it doesn't matter much what vehicle you're in, your body is going to absorb a tremendous amount of force. The safety devices that are there to keep you from doing this (like guardrails) often won't prevent an SUV or truck from striking them, in fact, they're often more of an additional risk rather than a safety device. In other words, overall, just because you drive a bigger vehicle doesn't mean you're safer.

Me, I drive a station wagon - a Subaru Outback Sport. AWD, ABS, air bags, good crash rating - but I'm in no hurry to test that (although I can vouch for the Legacy sedan in a collision with an immovable object - but that's another story). I think the best accident is the one you avoid, but I still wear my seatbelts everywhere I go (I'm probably here because of that little habit)...
 
ArmySon, the key phrasing was "carry lots of stuff," not tow lots of stuff. This tends to apply to people who are carrying kids and their toys around not people towing boats or professional landscaping equipment. I am not advocating that they be banned or limited or regulated.

Obviously yours is a case of need whether you want one or not. My friend who breeds dogs and owns horses certainly isn't going to get by with a Taurus wagon.

I don't understand why people choose them over other vehicles that will work better for them. I hear "safety," but without any evidence that they're actually safer. Then again, I don't understand why people spend hundreds of dollars to collect Beenie Babies and Pokemon cards.
 
SUV's are "in", they're trendy, hip, and fashionable and a lifestyle statement - 'I'm a rugged, outdoorsy adventurous guy' and they're 'empowering' (I hate that word) for wymyn, who also like the view from up there. Most don't buy them for the "utility" part, as few go off road or haul heavy stuff, and teh three days a year snow might actually be an issue hereabouts, well, it's the congestion (sheer volume of stupid drivers in all makes/models), not the weather, that stops you.

Like guns, vehicles are inanimate objects, its the opeator that makes them useful, stupid, or dangerous. My expereience has been that there are more stupid SUV drivers in Norhtern VA than any other kind. These people also buy clothes with the labels on the outside.
M2, an opinionated boob, and good at it!
 
I was probably the WORST case scenario you could think about...

I was a 16-year-old new driver driving my parents Chevy Suburban...

Never had an accident with it, never killed anyone...

And just wait, after the lawyers get done with cigarettes and guns, they WILL be going after automobiles.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
I guess my SUV is definitely smaller of the group's...I have a midsize SUV, a Ford Explorer Sport and I absolutely adore it. :)

I'll tell you why, I'm an avid snowboarder and try to head up to Tahoe as much as I can and on those snowy, bad weather days (which I love cuz I adore powder) and I see all those poor people in their 2wd sedans freezing their butts off putting on chains, I'm kicking back in my heated car, driving as easy as a summer's day (not quite but almost)

~bamf
 
Actually, Excursions and Suburbans aren't SUV. They're Utility Vehicles, all right. But isn't a damn thing sporty about them.
"Give me 40 acres, and I'll turn this rig around".

The smaller class of vehicles with 4WD, and higher ground clearance, and shorter wheelbase, and stance are SUV's.

Hey, you know what? If you have a vehicle with a higher CG(center of gravity), and short wheelbase, and stance, you'll according have a less stable vehicle, and gee, more wrecks. Duhhh!!

So what, place an idiot behind an Abrahms tank, and you'll have wrecks too. This stat proves nothing.

Best Regards,
Don

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Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

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And just wait, after the lawyers get done with cigarettes and guns, they WILL be going after automobiles.
I'm afraid you are probably right Mike. Eventually in the idealic, utopia world that all these sniveling liberals would like to see all roads will be turned into bicyle paths. :mad:


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Gunslinger
 
I look at SUVs as station wagons for people who don't want to admit they drive a station wagon. There are some people who actually need the capabilities, (Like Tao) but most of the people that drive them don't. When I decided to get a truck, it's relative safety to other vehicles on the road never even crossed my mind. I don't suppose I need an 8' bed, or the ablity to haul a 4000 lb horse trailor, but if I want to ride somewhere other than my friends farm, I got to get the horses there. If someone driving a Miata cuts me off and I run over them, well I guess it sucks to be them.
Eric

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It annoys the antis.
 
Ah well,

Currently in the driveway there are two Suburbans (a 1981 with a 454 (pre fuel injection) that is tow rated at 13.5K (you want that house moved where?) and a 1994 that looks pretty for family hauling, and a 1994 Ford Explorer. With our driveway a 4WD is manditory for 3-4 weeks a year (100 yards of gravel that goes up in a hurry at the end). Given the fact that we also have 3 kids and the assorted equipment that goes with them, a minimum of one Newfie drooling all over the back seat, and a few hundred pounds of other assorted crap rolling around in each truck, at times the Suburban seems very tiny. When you throw in the fact that MY family will be safer in the event of a crash (the fact that others had the same opportunity to get a larger vehicle and didn't will not bother me, much like the fact that others didn't bother to get a CCW permit and we did won't keep me awake at night if the worst case ever happens), then we will probably be driving these or similar vehicles for a long time to come (although I could use a pickup for some of the bigger crap that needs hauling on occasion).
 
Eric be careful of those Miata's. I sucked one into my carberator once when passing it and had to rebuild the carb. It did teach me to always use an air cleaner. Remember, safety first. :p

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Gunslinger
 
Banning small and inexpensive cars draws a parallel to the banning of Saturday Night Specials. Yes, they're not as safe as their bigger counterparts, but they offer a chep alternative for those who don't have the money to buy an Excursion or Suburban.

Same thing with so-called 'saturday night specials'. They may not have advanced safety features, but as we all know, the most important safety feature is found right between your own ears.


As far as people riding my tail, especially in large vehicles, I like to slow down to about 20 miles per hour and just wait. Either they'll pass you and get off your bumper or they won't be able to pass and you'll get a good chuckle. At least I do :)

Maybe I'm just mean that way.



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XRayMind

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