Backstreets Pub & Deli in Clemson, SC puts up anti-concealed-carry sign....
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I saw a report on the sign in the "news", and the owner was quoted as saying he only put them up until the signs he ordered came in, and was apologizing for the language he used. He did go on and say how he felt guns had no place in the college town.....and that he's a gun owner and 2nd A supporter....
And the whole flap was over a pic of one of the signs he had already taken down.....that got posted on the internet....
Sadly, the spiteful people on both sides crawl out of the woodwork on things like this.
Personally, I don't care a bit if he thinks I'm a loser because I have a gun. I don't gave a rodent's posterior if he tells the world he what he thinks.
I do think the ultimate loser is a business owner/operator to bigoted to realize how insulting a potential segment of his customer base will cost him.
Of course, he might also just be shrewd enough to bank on the fact that the free publicity the controversy will generate will more than make up for the loss.
Particularly in a college town....
And the whole flap was over a pic of one of the signs he had already taken down.....that got posted on the internet....
Sadly, the spiteful people on both sides crawl out of the woodwork on things like this.
Personally, I don't care a bit if he thinks I'm a loser because I have a gun. I don't gave a rodent's posterior if he tells the world he what he thinks.
I do think the ultimate loser is a business owner/operator to bigoted to realize how insulting a potential segment of his customer base will cost him.
Of course, he might also just be shrewd enough to bank on the fact that the free publicity the controversy will generate will more than make up for the loss.
Particularly in a college town....
The obvious fact and the bottom line is that it is his business and he can post whatever he wants. And will either reap the rewards or suffer the consequence's of his actions.
The pro-gun community will reap the same rewards or suffer the consequence's of our re-actions.
Re-acting with a bunch of childish name calling and negative labeling only hurts the gun community as a whole.
IMO, many of the response's to the article that were posted in the article did nothing but solidify the stereotype the anti-gun populace has put on the pro-gun community ... IE... a bunch of egotistic,rednecks morons with I.Q's in the minus column that need a gun to make up for their lack of manhood.
We will never change this 'mindset' or recruit those that may be sitting on the fence by falling into the trap of acting like a bunch of school children.
The pro-gun community will reap the same rewards or suffer the consequence's of our re-actions.
Re-acting with a bunch of childish name calling and negative labeling only hurts the gun community as a whole.
IMO, many of the response's to the article that were posted in the article did nothing but solidify the stereotype the anti-gun populace has put on the pro-gun community ... IE... a bunch of egotistic,rednecks morons with I.Q's in the minus column that need a gun to make up for their lack of manhood.
We will never change this 'mindset' or recruit those that may be sitting on the fence by falling into the trap of acting like a bunch of school children.
I feel the same way.
The very reason, if I choose to engage in a conversation with a known anti-gun or anti-hunting person, I try to be very selective of the words I use during the conversation as to try and dismiss the stereotype that I might be viewed as by this person.
I was once verbally attacked by a couple at a busy gas station for having a field dressed deer in the back of my pickup. They were offended that I would kill one of Gods creatures and were very upset that their son(he looked to be about 5-6 yrs. old) had to see it.
When the fella paused for a breathe, I politely and calmly stated that I was very sorry for offending him and his but that his son wouldn't had known that the deer was in the back of the truck unless his dad had told him it was there cause he wasn't big enough to see into the bed. I also asked him if he would ever take his son to a slaughter house to let him see how the beef, chicken and pork made it to the Krogers stores. Followed by the fact that scripture tells us in Gen. 9:1-3 that God put all animals on earth for our bounty.
On the other hand, I could have re-acted in an abusive, nasty way giving him a good, loud cussing in front of his wife , child and all the bystanders that would have solidified his apparent thoughts that I was nothing more than a barbaric, bloodthirsty murderer of Gods creature that had no consideration for anyone but myself.
Whether I actually made any sense to him or his wife was not the point. Even though I do hope it gave them something to think about. But rather I just simply was not going to respond in a confrontational manner in which he may had been trying to goad me into to make me look like a fool and aid him in making his point that I was a heathen in front of many bystanders.
We just don't do ourselves any good publicly engaging in confrontational childish bickering in most situations...especially when it involves firearms.
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It was suggested that instead of trashing the pub & deli, we write our representatives. Maybe my view is a bit jaundiced but then I have Senator John McCain the closet Democrat and Raul Grijalva whom I consider a total communist to contend with. 
The lip service I get from those two is not even worth the postage I wasted writing them. Yet the people of Arizona keep voting them back in office.
One of our favorite places to eat out recently put up a no guns sign. My wife looked at me as I placed my gun in the console and we went in. We're on a first name basis with the owner and I politely informed him that due to the sign he has placed in his window, we will sadly no longer eat at his place of business and we left.
I don't condone the actions of those people who were trashing the place but I also can understand the frustrtion of gun owners. The government tries to screw us at at every turn, the MSM considers us second class citizens, and we're demonized at every turn. Why? Because we believe in the Constitution and the right to bear arms. Seems like all we're doing is urinating up the proverbial rope. I'm mad as hell and frankly, it's getting more difficult every day trying maintaining my civility. Either we gun owners get our act together and vote the bums out or just meekly turn them all in Mr. and Mrs. America.
Paul B.
The lip service I get from those two is not even worth the postage I wasted writing them. Yet the people of Arizona keep voting them back in office.One of our favorite places to eat out recently put up a no guns sign. My wife looked at me as I placed my gun in the console and we went in. We're on a first name basis with the owner and I politely informed him that due to the sign he has placed in his window, we will sadly no longer eat at his place of business and we left.
I don't condone the actions of those people who were trashing the place but I also can understand the frustrtion of gun owners. The government tries to screw us at at every turn, the MSM considers us second class citizens, and we're demonized at every turn. Why? Because we believe in the Constitution and the right to bear arms. Seems like all we're doing is urinating up the proverbial rope. I'm mad as hell and frankly, it's getting more difficult every day trying maintaining my civility. Either we gun owners get our act together and vote the bums out or just meekly turn them all in Mr. and Mrs. America.
Paul B.
for me the frustration is more of what I perceive to be a double standard. Since the owner happens to be for want of a better term, on the 'fashionable' side of the equation based on his sign, I don't feel he will be taken to task over his derogatory terms. For example, if he had written "no dog owners, they are cowards and d-bags" he would be a national whipping boy. However, degrade a person that legally can carry and has had that ability condoned by law enforcement, and people just about applaud.
I feel that's inescapable in the year 2014. So bringing attention to him is, unfortunately, self-defeating overall, even though in a perfect world he should be made to eat a plate of crow based on his prejudice against a group of people that are obeying laws- and that's what I see. he has pre-judged that group. OK fine, college town. That's his opinion, though.
Even though he apologized, supports 2A, etc, however, I expect to be judged on all my actions and statements, so I don't feel bad about judging him on all of his. being stand-up about it is in his favor. But I don't put much stake into the ever-popular 'public apology' in the first place. We did that in grade school too, and it means just as much now as it did then: teacher made me do it so I did it.
I feel that's inescapable in the year 2014. So bringing attention to him is, unfortunately, self-defeating overall, even though in a perfect world he should be made to eat a plate of crow based on his prejudice against a group of people that are obeying laws- and that's what I see. he has pre-judged that group. OK fine, college town. That's his opinion, though.
Even though he apologized, supports 2A, etc, however, I expect to be judged on all my actions and statements, so I don't feel bad about judging him on all of his. being stand-up about it is in his favor. But I don't put much stake into the ever-popular 'public apology' in the first place. We did that in grade school too, and it means just as much now as it did then: teacher made me do it so I did it.
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It's already been said "If you disagree with the policy, don't go there"
I completely agree with everyone's anger over these sorts of policies, but maybe he (the owner) had an experience that prompted him to put up the sign. Unfortunately, all it takes is 1 bad apple to give all gun owners a bad rap.
Last year, at The Olive Garden, in carson city a guy pulled out his carry weapon and proceeded to muzzle sweep many people and, brandishing the weapon, threatened the waitress/cooks because he was unhappy with the food/service. That's all it took, 1 (insert expletive here) to ruin it for everyone, now Olive Garden has a polite sign on the door banning patrons from carrying guns (meaningless in terms of state law, though). Plus, think about how ugly the situation could have gotten if another patron had a gun (since the perp was threatening people and waving a loaded gun) had he been shot, then the resteraunt has expensive haz mat cleanup fees, negative media attention, etc.
BTW, he was sentenced last month, got 3 or 6 months, I don't remember.
Again, I agree that these signs are wrong, but I can also understand where the owners are coming from.
I completely agree with everyone's anger over these sorts of policies, but maybe he (the owner) had an experience that prompted him to put up the sign. Unfortunately, all it takes is 1 bad apple to give all gun owners a bad rap.
Last year, at The Olive Garden, in carson city a guy pulled out his carry weapon and proceeded to muzzle sweep many people and, brandishing the weapon, threatened the waitress/cooks because he was unhappy with the food/service. That's all it took, 1 (insert expletive here) to ruin it for everyone, now Olive Garden has a polite sign on the door banning patrons from carrying guns (meaningless in terms of state law, though). Plus, think about how ugly the situation could have gotten if another patron had a gun (since the perp was threatening people and waving a loaded gun) had he been shot, then the resteraunt has expensive haz mat cleanup fees, negative media attention, etc.
BTW, he was sentenced last month, got 3 or 6 months, I don't remember.
Again, I agree that these signs are wrong, but I can also understand where the owners are coming from.
Originally post by Paul B :
Kudo's to ya Paul for handling the situation exactly how it should have been handled. And...your frustration is understandable.
When cc first became legal here in Ohio, there were a lot of signs that went up around these parts. It became some what of a 'quest' for a small group of us to stop in these places and politely talk to the owners or managers and inform them that we would not be supporting their establishments due to their 'no gun' policies. We had cards made up as well. In one instance involving my dad, a no gun sign cost a car dealership the sale of a new Cadillac...story here in an earlier thread here on the General Discussion forum , post #27:
It's not that we shouldn't inform these places of business of our feelings, we should. And IMO, it's our duty to do so. But rather how we do it is the key. If we do it in a respectful manner, the owner or manager may just listen. If we do it in a belligerent way, just as Brian Pfleuger posted earlier, that place of business doesn't want that type of person in their establishment anyways.
Kudo's to ya Paul for handling the situation exactly how it should have been handled. And...your frustration is understandable.
When cc first became legal here in Ohio, there were a lot of signs that went up around these parts. It became some what of a 'quest' for a small group of us to stop in these places and politely talk to the owners or managers and inform them that we would not be supporting their establishments due to their 'no gun' policies. We had cards made up as well. In one instance involving my dad, a no gun sign cost a car dealership the sale of a new Cadillac...story here in an earlier thread here on the General Discussion forum , post #27:
It's not that we shouldn't inform these places of business of our feelings, we should. And IMO, it's our duty to do so. But rather how we do it is the key. If we do it in a respectful manner, the owner or manager may just listen. If we do it in a belligerent way, just as Brian Pfleuger posted earlier, that place of business doesn't want that type of person in their establishment anyways.
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I generally stay away from the rants and vitriols coming from internet-land. I have a simple, non confrontational approach to businesses with anti-gun signs. I keep with me in my car a stack of little cards (business card size) which state that while I respect their decision, I choose to not to spend my money there. There is a little depiction of a gun with a slash through it = a dollar sign with a slash through it. I usually leave them tucked in the door or on their sign itself.
I found these cards for sale at a local gun store a year ago and I bought a whole stack.
I found these cards for sale at a local gun store a year ago and I bought a whole stack.
I bet Pete's Deli goes out of business on April 16, just after tax day. It's hard enough to run a successful business. Even harder when that business is a restaurant. Publishing the fact that you are a gun-hating idiot who calls their customers a 1980's Yankee superlative in Clemson South Carolina sure ain't gonna help none!!!