AWB Removed From Base Gun Control Bill in Senate

There's no worry about lost keys, because there aren't any keys. It's just a simple deadbolt lock with a thumbturn on the inside, and nothing on the exterior of the door.
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That teacher had better never leave her ckassroom with students inside then or she will one day find herself locked out with no easy way to gain entry.
 
Good point, although I think many schools already have a policy of not leaving students unattended.

Or, you could use conventional deadbolts on the doors, with thumbturns on the inside and keyholes on the outside.
 
There's no worry about lost keys, because there aren't any keys. It's just a simple deadbolt lock with a thumbturn on the inside, and nothing on the exterior of the door. Also, classroom doors should either be windowless, or at most have a small window (think 6" by 16") with a blind that can be pulled down.
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Just a worry about fire codes, exits, and burning to death. Every Classroom should have two doors. Locking doors are good, though you still have issues to deal with-

Students late to class?
"Surprise" guests?
The student sent to the principal's office?

The armored door that locks from the inside means LEO's clearing the room of potential hostages have to blow the door off the hinges if they can't convince a terrified kid inside they're safe enough to open the door, further traumatizing the kids. And God forbid there's a kid hiding next to the door in the blast area.

We want locks on doors, don't get me wrong. But we want at least a couple classes of people with the ability to open those doors on demand. School staff, LEO's, Fire, and First-responders. Having a teacher die in front of her Kindergarteners because they can't reach the lock and she's having a heart attack would be traumatic as well.

I don't know enough about physical security to make an informed decsion between electronic locks with a UPS, key cards until a lockdown, then keycards + Pin code, Pin Code only, or sticking with a physical key/lock combo, possibly at least somewhat proprietary like fire department elevator keys. But I do know we can't focus on the extremely rare school shooting, and ignore other school emergencies- health scares, natural disasters, fires, and so on.
 
Just to be clear...
The following is no longer a valid comparison...
There isn't one single thing on the table making it more illegal any more than there is a magic pill that can make a girl less pregnant.
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It isn't even magic... The Morning After A Night Of Bad Decisions Pill is even sold over the counter...;)

Brent
 
All good points. And this isn't anything cosmic or "out there". My wife is a high school teacher, and her school's policy is that the classroom doors are locked while class is in session. The locks do have external keyholes, and there are staff members throughout the school who hold the necessary keys. There are also phones in every room that allow them to call the front office, security, etc.

I believe that inexpensive physical security at the classroom level makes more sense on a "bang for buck" basis than paying an SRO $50k per year, dropping him into a 100,000 square foot, multi-level school building and hoping he's in the right place at the right time.
 
This was what was needed at Sandy Hook. These are in new schools by the way. We have these in a lot of newer schools in Kentucky.

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The topic was the AWB - tactics at a rampage aren't the main focus. Let's get back on track or we close this one.

Tactics for schools can be discussed in T and T.

Thanks

Glenn
 
Vigilance indeed

It appears to me that this scenario could be what is playing out:

Senator Reid tells Feinstein there's not enough support for her BILL to pass so it will not be presented for vote on the floor. He can then tell anyone against an AWB, limits on mags, etc. that he didn't let the bill make it to the floor for a vote.

At the same time, he tells Feinstein that she can offer her provisions as an amendment. So Feinstein pouts and whines in front of the microphones and cameras like she has really had her feelings hurt, her confidence betrayed, etc. But remember, Amendments can't be filibustered, and they only need 51 votes (in this case only 50 since Biden will hold the tiebreaker vote) so it could be argued that she might have a path of lesser resistance for her wishes to become reality.

So the earlier posts about being vigilant are spot on. Reid is a slick politician and he knows what he has to do to extend his career in the Senate. In the above scenario, he gets to play both sides.....like most politicians do.

Just my $.02
 
Reid stupid like a fox.....AWB isn't dead by a country mile

The problem with grants for school security is that they'll be squandered.
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That is a huge 10-4..
The amount of money our school "Resource Officers" have budgets for
is big. They have several Large SUVs with DARE logos, lots of blinking lights, etc.. money IMO that should be spent on the kids.

I'm sure the 'Educators" could make some field trips to Hawaii to
investigate how they do it... wouldn't be surprised one bit.
and yes... $11 dollars left for the kids
 
So what do you guys think the chance is of the AWB being passed as an amendment? Honestly in my state I see very few anit-gunners. They are out there but outnumbered almost 1 to 5. It seems to be the same on other sites such as popvox and even in the comment sections of news sites. Unfortunately, however, it seems that of the small group who want the ban, most are politicians. It's important to continue talking to our representatives.
 
Personally, I don't see it having much of a chance, even as an amendment. However, this party's not over. We have to stay on top of our congresscritters until the votes are tallied. I don't want to blink and discover that it was added as a last minute amendment to a Bill to Save the Widows and Orphans, or some such thing that nobody in their right (political) mind would oppose.
 
I certainly hope so, but my knowledge of the rules of Congressional procedure are inadequate to offer an opinion. (Just bein' honest here.)
 
Personally, I don't see it having much of a chance, even as an amendment.
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In the current climate, no. If the balance of power changes significantly in the 2014 midterms and/or we have another tragedy, that math could change.
 
Senator Reid tells Feinstein there's not enough support for her BILL to pass so it will not be presented for vote on the floor.
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I haven't heard that said. I heard he will submit it to the floor on its own, and not as a small(ish) part of a larger gun control package bill.
 
It seems to me they will fore go the AWB so they can get Universal back ground checks that will be no less than national registration with records kept on every gun sale so they know who has what when they are setup for confiscation.
If we give up our guns, we will loose every right we have. We cannot disgrace our fore fathers and our veterans by allowing this to happen. Continue to write your reps and make your voice heard.
 
While we have not given it much attention, I think it is unfortunate that an issue as obvious as mental health is also excluded from the core bill because consensus could apparently not be achieved about how it should be addressed.
 
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