ATTN: San Francisco Gun Owners

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If by chance the new law banning guns in San Francisco passes, I would like to take this opportunity to buy your gun before you have to hand it over to law enforcement. Offering $10.00 each for all handguns, rifles and shotguns. I know this is a low offer, but hey, the government won't pay you anything for it! All transfers to go through a FFL to ensure integrity. Respond or email me if interested. Serious offers only, please!
 
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OK, guys ship em up here and I'll sell em for you for a flat fee of 10% per gun

Even better, ship em to me and Ill store em for you gratis while ya sue the POS city council

WildcatnbeleivethisAlaska
 
Hey, I got a better idea. How about all you smart-a$$es move here to SF and help us get a conservative majority in the city. Then we can pass a law like they have in Kennesaw, GA that mandates that everyone have a gun.

Until then, how about a little support.

It takes more courage to live by your principles when you are in the minority.
 
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And you are afraid that would change if you moved to San Francisco?

Isn't that line of thinking thae same as if you give a normal person a gun they will, all of a sudden become a mass murderer? :D
 
to be honest i am afraid i would go on a mass murder spree when one of those 'parades' came to town. :barf:

better off in ole miss where there is less fuel for my fire.
 
since this thread was started in jest, i am hoping that it was continued in jest...


having said that, sometimes jokes go to far....
 
to be honest i am afraid i would go on a mass murder spree when one of those 'parades' came to town.

better off in ole miss where there is less fuel for my fire.
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That way you ain't in no danger of gettin' "turned" or nothin'... :eek:
 
Just so you don't think that we all are willing to give up our rights without a fight, an editorial in, of all places, the San Francisco Chronicle.

San Francisco Gun Ban A Losing Proposition
- Cinnamon Stillwell
Wednesday, September 14, 2005
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/09/14/cstillwell.DTL&hw=proposition&sn=013&sc=216

If there's anything Americans have learned from the tragic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's that there are times when the government is simply unable to protect its citizens. The looting of nonessential items, robberies, carjackings, murders and rapes that overtook New Orleans as chaos gripped the city demonstrated what can happen when the government loses control.

Countless stories were told about unarmed citizens who were defenseless against the criminals who preyed upon them. Only those who were armed were able to fend off the encroaching violence. In such cases, self-defense is all that's left, which is perhaps why gun sales rose exponentially in Louisiana right after the disaster. The fact that police and military units in New Orleans later began confiscating those weapons does not bode well for the city's remaining residents.

If the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has its way, law-abiding residents could find themselves at the mercy of criminals in the event of a similar disaster. Given that the Bay Area is ground zero for earthquakes, it's not a very good idea to take away residents' capacity to fend for themselves. But Proposition H, a measure on the November ballot that seeks to ban handguns in San Francisco, would do just that.

Proposed by Supervisor Chris Daly and supported by Supervisors Tom Ammiano and Bevan Dufty, Prop. H is endorsed by the San Francisco Democratic Party and the Committee to Ban Handgun Violence. But Prop. H is unlikely to have any impact on handgun violence, despite being one of the most extreme gun-ban proposals in the country. Not only does Prop. H prohibit the ownership of handguns in San Francisco, the draconian measure also prohibits the "the sale, distribution, transfer and manufacture of all firearms and ammunition." Yet none of this will affect criminals, who will simply continue to buy and sell firearms illegally. Ironically, it's law-abiding citizens who will bear the brunt of this misguided measure.

While taking handguns away from citizens, Prop. H provides an exemption for "any City, state or federal employee carrying out the functions of his or her government employment," such as police officers and members of the military or the National Guard. In other words, it creates a police state. For such an anti-authoritarian city, this seems a strange goal indeed.

But San Francisco police officers aren't exactly enthusiastic about Prop H. For one thing, the measure is unclear on whether off-duty or retired police officers will be affected. And police are worried that they would have to arrest gun-owning violators in their own homes. Sounds like a recipe for dead cops.

Shooting Blanks

Although Prop. H is likely to make San Francisco a destination for criminals, the measure is couched in anti-crime terminology. In the lone ballot argument supporting the initiative, Supervisor Chris Daly points to crime and suicide rates supposedly attributable to the mere presence of handguns. But as a point-by-point dissection of Daly's argument demonstrates, he is far from informed on the subject. Since no gun-control groups have announced their support for the measure and not one paid argument in favor of Prop. H appears on the ballot, Daly doesn't seem to be inspiring much confidence.

It's little wonder, for Daly makes no distinction between legal and illegal gun owners, and somehow manages to convince himself that criminals will simply stop dealing in black-market firearms because of Prop. H. As he puts it, "Fewer handguns in the flow of commerce will make it more difficult to obtain one." He provides no basis for this assumption and ignores statistics from such cities as Washington, D.C., and Chicago, which saw their murder rates soar after instituting gun bans. He also overlooks the considerable number of crimes that are prevented each year by defensive gun use. Whether or not Daly and other gun-banners want to believe it, there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime or violence. In fact, it has the opposite effect.

As always, Daly and his colleagues invoke the (supposedly) ominous shadow of the National Rife Association to scare off San Francisco liberals. Although the NRA publicly opposes Prop. H, it has remained conspicuously absent from the local discussion, knowing full well that its name is politically loaded in this city.

Supervisors Off the Charts

In actuality, the opponents of Prop. H span the political spectrum. The San Francisco Republican Party, the Libertarian Party of San Francisco and the Coalition Against Prohibition are joined by the San Francisco Pink Pistols and Roy Bouse, president of the Tenant Association, in denouncing the measure. Asian American activist Alma Anino worries that the ban will take away her community's "Second Amendment rights," while Libby Green, president of the Senior Citizen Alliance, calls it the "Rapist Protection Act."

The Committee to Oppose Handgun Ban, which describes itself as "a grassroots liberal political action committee" and whose chairman Davy Jones is a "a LGBT community leader, union member, advocate for civil rights," hardly sounds like a bunch of right-wingers. Probably the most comprehensive anti-Prop. H reference resource, SFGunBan.com was put together by San Francisco resident Michael Sarfatti, who's not affiliated with any political party or organization.

Apparently, respect for Second Amendment rights cuts across all ideological boundaries. Except for those of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, that is.

Symbolism or Seriousness?

When I first wrote about the then-proposed Prop. H. several months ago, I had high hopes that the measure wouldn't make it onto the ballot, whether because of its own considerable deficiencies or because of challenges in court. Matt Gonzalez had stepped down as president of the Board of Supervisors, and Michele Alioto-Pier wisely chose to withdraw her support. But Gonzalez's letter to the Department of Elections had already been submitted and the proposition accepted by the time he left. With the necessary four supervisors technically on board, the initiative wound up on the ballot after all.

Mayor Gavin Newsom has remained silent on the issue so far. Since the overriding sentiment in San Franciscans is that "guns are bad" and should therefore be outlawed, Prop. H could well pass. If it does, it's likely to be challenged in the courts. The wording of the measure seeks to avoid the fate of the 1982 handgun ban, in which state law preempted the city ordinance. But several crucial issues remain unclear; namely:

-- Handgun owners are given 90 days to "surrender" their handguns to the police or sheriff's department, but owners must first be identified. Given that the city is prohibited by state law from registering or licensing gun owners, what database will officials consult to obtain the information needed to begin the identification process?

-- Although the ordinance refers to still undefined penalties for violations, it's unlikely that the city will be able to force people to turn in their handguns. How will the city enforce the ban, should residents prove unwilling to comply?

-- Prop. H is tantamount to government confiscation of property from nonfelons. Will the city compensate handgun owners for their property?


When the Board of Supervisors addresses these questions, then we'll know they're serious. But as it is, the measure seems destined to be nothing more than a symbolic statement, which is something San Francisco has become famous for in recent years. Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi, who claims to support Prop. H in theory, admitted that "the legislation largely would be symbolic without enforcement."

Unfortunately, symbolism means nothing when the practical needs of a city are put to the test. Should San Francisco face its own disaster in the years to come, these are the leaders to whom people will look for guidance. Somehow, this doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Cinnamon Stillwell is a Bay Area writer. She can be reached at cinnamonstillwell@yahoo.com
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That way you ain't in no danger of gettin' "turned" or nothin'
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i read somewhere there is a pink pistols forum. maybe you and your wilderness friend you should go there.

better than sitting around here like an anti trying to determine who should or shouldn't have a gun.
 
I'm sorry, maybe I'm a bit dense...but exactly what is the problem? Are you being hurt? Are these gay folks in San Francisco (and other places) somehow threatening you? What do you care what they do with their personal lives as long as it doesn't affect you?

There isn't a Pink Pistols forum. But those folks have more courage in their little pinkies - for standing up in a hostile enviroment for what they believe in than someone who is afraid to leave "Ole Miss" for fear of what he might see outside. "Oh jeepers, Madge. That there is two men holding hands. Best get the to the bomb shelter!"

Mr. Troop, you were the one who stated that he was afraid that he might go on a murder spree if you saw a gay march. That sounds like a sign of mental illness. Mental illness would disqualify you from owning a gun. You might want to seek help.
 
berger,

mental illness: someone who thinks men having sex with each other is okay

obviously my remark about a spree was over the top to make a strong point. no need to pick at it with semantics.

plenty of people don't give a hoot about central and southern cal. you guys blew it big time and now you want us to help you out. fat chance. why dont you good guys move out and form a new line with the rest of us. cut your losses and run. an acceptable military tactic. dont expect others to do your job for you.

alaska,

when you sell guns on here do you ask those people what they think about homosexuality? or do you values decline when there is money to be made.

shouldn't have a gun huh? sounds just like a remark rosie would make. thank god neither you or she can make those decisions.

i can't believe either of you would actually defend such sick unatural behaior. berger i think living out there may have changed behavoir through force fed liberal garbage.
 
What do you care what they do with their personal lives as long as it doesn't affect you?
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1- they want to adopt children, would you want your child raised by a homo couple?
2- homsexuality and pedo go hand in hand, no i don't have a link, watch the news and read the paper. nambla, catholic priest etc.
3- they want the same rights a married woman and man have which degrades the value of real marriage
4- it is an unatural act, if you can't see this i have no further comment
5- they have huge gross parades flaunting their sexuality on public streets, dont see huge bands of heteros dressing crazy and flaunting their nude bodies on public streets
 
1- they want to adopt children, would you want your child raised by a homo couple?
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Two people who love their kid and are willing and able to provide for them are better than no one to love and provide for that kid.
2- homsexuality and pedo go hand in hand, no i don't have a link, watch the news and read the paper. nambla, catholic priest etc.
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I call bull**** on that one. Prove it.
3- they want the same rights a married woman and man have which degrades the value of real marriage
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How exactly does that make you less married?
4- it is an unatural act, if you can't see this i have no further comment
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So is a lot of stuff that you probably do in your bedroom. But it doesn't hurt anyone else, does it?
5- they have huge gross parades flaunting their sexuality on public streets, dont see huge bands of heteros dressing crazy and flaunting their nude bodies on public streets
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Are you jealous? Do you wish that you could have a parade on Ordinary Hetero White Guy Day? -Umm, when is that?

See, I've never really understood why people feel the need to control my - or anyone else's - life. I don't like people dictating to me what kind and whether I can own a gun, what kinds of clothes I wear or what kind of car I drive. I guess that I'm just a bit libertarian in that sense. I have trouble understanding people who don't think the same way. That philosopy sort of fits with my sig on another forum:
Why is do-gooderism so annoying? Why is it that people who can't control the universe or be kings or dictators or get through a dinner party without alienating everyone end up fronting groups meant to make you a better person? - Tim Goodman (SF Chronicle)
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Actually, I think that the Pride parade is a bit over the top, too. I usually find other things to do that day. I also avoid the anti-war rallies and other political marches - unless to counterprotest. A pretty simple solution....Don't like it, don't watch. If it offends you, don't watch. How hard is that? I change the channel when the Klan comes on, too.
 
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