Attn Illinois citizens: New anti gun bills headed for the house.
- Thread starter Davey
- Start date
By "what to do" I mean contact your rep along with ALL the other state reps. I usually say " I don't live in his/her district but I have lots of friends and family that do", which is true. Call, email, snail mail, fax, walk into their office and say " hey, don't vote for this bill". Be forceful but polite and professional.
If by black powder you mean muzzle loaders my understanding is that muzzle loaders won't be affected. Not that it matters mind you.
I've bought the same but I'm not taking any chances. Starting tomorrow morning I'm calling each and every pro hb148 rep and asking where they stand. After that I'll go to work on the commies.
Ummm, yes, I guess.
Davey, have you used Reverse Robo Call?
http://reverserobocall.com/
I was think of compiling 3 lists of Illinois poilitians - Pro, Con, and "my" representatives and creating at least two different messages and trying RRC.
http://reverserobocall.com/
I was think of compiling 3 lists of Illinois poilitians - Pro, Con, and "my" representatives and creating at least two different messages and trying RRC.
Spats McGee
Administrator
I wish the best of luck to Illinois residents on these.
I haven't gone through these with my fine-toothed comb, but two things jumped out at me:
First, there's a prohibition on semi-auto shotguns that hold more than 5 rounds. . . I guess it's a good thing that most police cruisers have pump-action shotguns in them, right?
Second, don't be carryin' when you've got your hoodie on.
I haven't gone through these with my fine-toothed comb, but two things jumped out at me:
First, there's a prohibition on semi-auto shotguns that hold more than 5 rounds. . . I guess it's a good thing that most police cruisers have pump-action shotguns in them, right?
Second, don't be carryin' when you've got your hoodie on.
Illinois General Assembly said:
Yeah I read that hooded/masked part and was bewildered that a representative would think that that is something we need in Illinois. As if carrying the gun wasn't already illegal.
I also noticed that the new bills call for a ban on semi autos that weigh more than 50 ounces unloaded. Is this an attempt to get rid of the Desert Eagle?
I also noticed that the new bills call for a ban on semi autos that weigh more than 50 ounces unloaded. Is this an attempt to get rid of the Desert Eagle?
Spats McGee
Administrator
Could be. From the Magnum Research website:
Mark XIX Desert Eagle Pistol Specifications
.50 A.E.
Weight w/empty magazine . . . . 1998.6 grams (71.4 oz.)
Mark XIX Desert Eagle Pistol Specifications
.50 A.E.
Weight w/empty magazine . . . . 1998.6 grams (71.4 oz.)
Since we are being technical, doesn't the GLock 17 predate the GLock 18?
I don't know, but I thought it did. IF it does, then the GLock 18 would be the "full automatic version" of the GLock 17, and the 17 would NOT be the semi auto version of the 18! And the same would apply to the Beretta 93, if it predates the 93R full auto version, right?
Ok, its splitting hairs, but if the law is going to be "technical" then it also has to be "accurate"! Anybody know where to find out which came first?
I realize the AR's AKs and such came after the Select fire designs, so no help there. Didn't the Mini 14 appear before the AC556?
Regardless of the technical specs in the proposed laws, IL residents need to make your legislators know that these need to be slapped down, hard. And they need to know that they'll be looking for new work come next election if they don't. Good Luck with that everyone.
@44 you are correct, as far as I know the 17 did come before the 18. Not sure about 92/93. H&K VP70 was first though 
. I think this just highlights how asinine this law is. Trust me I already contacted my rep but sadly Carol Sente is a co-sponsor of this bill, I am just counting down the days until hopefully I can vote her out of office.
. I think this just highlights how asinine this law is. Trust me I already contacted my rep but sadly Carol Sente is a co-sponsor of this bill, I am just counting down the days until hopefully I can vote her out of office.Yep. The 17 was Gaston's first pistol, and Glock's 17th patent. Previous stuff included shovels and shower curtains IIRC. I'm not sure if subsequent models represent patents or order in which they were introduced.
Heck, it didn't stop them in 1993.
Anyone know if the SAF is on board with this yet?
kilimanjaro
New member
You could outlaw the Mauser Broomhandle with that language.....not to mention about 99% of modern semiautos.
spanishjames
New member
What am I?
Under a proposed IL bill, it would be illegal to "manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed" the following items. This would "not apply to a person who possessed a weapon or attachment prohibited by subsection (b) before the effective date of this [bill], provided that the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date."
(A) Any of the firearms or types, replicas, or duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22; and
(ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
(B) a semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; or (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
(i) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock;
(ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(iii) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; or
(vi) a semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm;
(D) a semi-automatic shotgun that has any of the following:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; or
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
"Semi-automatic assault weapon" does not include:
(A) any firearm that:
(i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;
(ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been made permanently inoperable; or
(iii) is an antique firearm;
(B) any air rifle
If this passed, I'd have to report my Saiga rifle since it could be in the A category, and maybe a 22 rifle with a tube magazine in the B category. I could sell them out of state, or hand it down to an heir. Or not provide proof of ownership and become a criminal.
I'm just curious, how may of you would be inconvenienced by a law like this? If so, what type of firearm would you have to report? I must admit, all the shrouded, revolving shotgun, fixed magazine talk had me wondering if these things actually exist.
http://ilga.gov/legislation/billsta...1&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=57470&SessionID=84
Under a proposed IL bill, it would be illegal to "manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed" the following items. This would "not apply to a person who possessed a weapon or attachment prohibited by subsection (b) before the effective date of this [bill], provided that the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date."
(A) Any of the firearms or types, replicas, or duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22; and
(ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
(B) a semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; or (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
(i) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock;
(ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(iii) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; or
(vi) a semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm;
(D) a semi-automatic shotgun that has any of the following:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; or
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
"Semi-automatic assault weapon" does not include:
(A) any firearm that:
(i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;
(ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been made permanently inoperable; or
(iii) is an antique firearm;
(B) any air rifle
If this passed, I'd have to report my Saiga rifle since it could be in the A category, and maybe a 22 rifle with a tube magazine in the B category. I could sell them out of state, or hand it down to an heir. Or not provide proof of ownership and become a criminal.
I'm just curious, how may of you would be inconvenienced by a law like this? If so, what type of firearm would you have to report? I must admit, all the shrouded, revolving shotgun, fixed magazine talk had me wondering if these things actually exist.
http://ilga.gov/legislation/billsta...1&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=57470&SessionID=84
Spats McGee
Administrator
My question is this: What if you do not have "proof of ownership?" I don't know how in-state, private party sales are handled in IL, but zero paperwork is required in Arkansas for such a sale.
spanishjames
New member
I think it means you go to the State Police and tell/show them what you have along with serial numbers.