ATF Project Gunrunner

This is the most comprehensive story of F&F that I've read so far
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It is a good read; but the reporter managed to miss some key points that make his conclusion less compelling:

1. Operation Wide Receiver worked in conjunction with Mexican authorities and had both electronic and physical surveillance of the weapons being allowed to "walk." Reading his story, you'd never know this. In fact, you'd think that Wide Receiver was just a Bush-era Fast & Furious.

2. He credits Obama as having done "nothing" on guns; but the Obama Administration has pursued gun control vigorously at the administrative level. The ATF proposed the sporting purposes test for shotguns. Reporting of long gun sales in border states implemented in violation of the law. The BLM moved (briefly) to restrict shooting. At the administrative level, there have have been numerous "under the radar" restrictions on firearms proposed or implemented.
 
Apparently AG Holder lost his cool and got a little snappish with the Daily Caller when they asked him about the growing calls for his resignation. He turned around and accused them of manufacturing the trend and warned them to stop it. And they got it on video...

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/29/h...to-address-growing-calls-for-his-resignation/

And in other Daily Caller news, apparently Sen. Johnny Isaakson of GA has become the first Senator to call for Holder's resignation.
 
Mr. Roberts,

If possible, could you please expand upon the numerous "under the radar" gun control measures implemented by the Obama administration?

On a side note, perhaps my letter to Senator Isaakson was worth the cost of the stamp.
 
Bartholomew Roberts wrote:

Apparently AG Holder lost his cool and got a little snappish with the Daily Caller when they asked him about the growing calls for his resignation. He turned around and accused them of manufacturing the trend and warned them to stop it. And they got it on video...

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/29/ho...s-resignation/

And in other Daily Caller news, apparently Sen. Johnny Isaakson of GA has become the first Senator to call for Holder's resignation.

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What might Mr. Holder do if the "warning" isn't taken seriously, cancel his subscription? Put his huff on and leave in it? One wonders.
 
What might Mr. Holder do if the "warning" isn't taken seriously, cancel his subscription? Put his huff on and leave in it? One wonders.
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Sure hope the Daily Caller has all their tax affairs in order...
 
SPEMack said:
If possible, could you please expand upon the numerous "under the radar" gun control measures implemented by the Obama administration?
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How about the restriction of all of those M1 Garand and M1 carbines that were slated to be imported from South Korea that the administration stopped?

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Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles

Published September 01, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.

The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

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U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrol’s Murder
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Link to article on Judicial Watch:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/nov/u-s-seals-court-records-border-patrol-s-murder

I though we'd already heard all of the mistakes in Fast and Furious. Is there something bigger that would have been revealed in these court documents?

Regardless, I find it odd that the administration would do such a thing at this late date, just days before the first anniversary of Terry's murder.
 
Bob Owens with PJ Media offers an interesting article based on anonymous sources: http://pjmedia.com/blog/fbi-criminal-informant-complicit-in-brian-terrys-death-pjm-exclusive/

The short version is that these sources say that the group that murdered Agent Terry was a crew from the Sinaloa Cartel who was waiting to ambush a specific shipment of drugs they had learned about. They had learned about this shipment because one of the crew was an FBI confidential informant who had learned of the shipment via his FBI contacts. The FBI knew of the planned ambush from wiretaps on their CI. The DEA also knew. Neither did anything to inform Border Patrol.

The sources go on to say that the missing "third gun" that has was referenced in the emails and the recording of ATF Agent Hope McAllister went missing because it belonged to the FBI's CI and put him at the scene - creating an awkard situation for all involved.

If true, it would certainly go a long way in explaining why the Terry court records have been sealed.
 
I always wondered about that FFL saying the evidence was gone for good(paraphrased), in those McAllister tapes.
That was within a day or two of the 3rd gun story coming and then going away...and within a day or two of the El Paso Times reporting an informant's ranch was used for drug smuggling by request of the FBI with a wink and nod from various federal and state high ranking politicians.

What a tangled web.....
 
csmsss wrote:

Holder/Obama/DOJ/ATF are doing this because they know they will get away with it. It's really that simple.

The gentleman appears to take a dimmer view of the government than I do. The really sad part of the thing is that he might well be right.
 
Destructo6 wrote:

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U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrol’s Murder

Link to article on Judicial Watch:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...atrol-s-murder

I though we'd already heard all of the mistakes in Fast and Furious. Is there something bigger that would have been revealed in these court documents?

Regardless, I find it odd that the administration would do such a thing at this late date, just days before the first anniversary of Terry's murder.
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If "the government" (Obama, Holder et al) have nothing to hide, an idea totally lacking in credibility, they WHY are they hiding it? Anyone think that "the government" will answer?
 
I think the whole review process has been using the steps from the "Spies Like Us" movie.

1. Act suprised
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations

I guess this administration turns to hollywood for policy guidance.... Its all one sad comedy....
 
In the spirit of "openness", the DoJ has released documents showing how it arrived at the conclusion that the ATF had done nothing wrong, prior to the discovery that it had, in fact, done everything wrong.

http://news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-details-got-statements-wrong-215322145.html

Lanny Breuer's assertions that the ATF had not walked guns, apparently, is due to incorrect information being fed to him. The trail goes back one or two levels, but, in the end, we still don't know who started the lies.

I pity the scapegoats. Well, maybe not pity them as much as feel bad that they'll end up taking more heat than they should.

An interesting quote that is on the AP's web site: "[W]e will make a rare exception to the department's recognized protocols and provide you with information related to how the inaccurate information came to be included in the letter." This is from Deputy Attorney General James Cole. I guess that we should feel special that the DoJ has deigned to let us know how they screw up. I guess that the normal policy is to hide the mistakes.

And, of course, it's a Friday, guaranteeing that it will be quiet news.
 
Another link to today's story: http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_8560/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JSsD30DU

These people defy comprehension. Most liars make up a story and stick with it. These clowns keep changing the story, and they still aren't smart enough to drop the lies and try telling the truth.

A guy I used to work with (who was, it turned out, also a distant cousin) used to tell our interns, "Remember, if you always tell the truth you'll never have to try to remember what you told the other guy."
 
They hope and know the American public, with it's American Idol attention span, won't notice the rapid and frequent story changes, ala the ants in The Once and Future King.
 
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