ATF Project Gunrunner

The audacity- the unmitigated gall ! The mendacity!

They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, their secret operation to build a case for stricter gun control was exposed and yet they still push for some sort of gun ban to stop weapons from flowing to Mexico.


Ahhhh ! it makes me crazy! Of the weapons going from the U.S. to Mexico, they could have stopped 99% of them just by shutting down the BATFE gun running operations !!!!

I'm living in crazy town and Dianne Feinstein is the mayor! :eek:
 
So Breuer expects us to believe that he learned about Wide Receiver and was so shocked that he met with ATF and made it clear gunwalking would not be tolerated?

Almost simultaneously, the very same people who started Wide Receiver, started Fast and Furious, and despite being warned by the Deputy AG of the Criminal Division of DOJ not to walk guns, they immediately went out and started walking guns to Mexico even bigger and badder and in violation of several international agreements, basically blowing off Breuer.

We are also supposed to believe that Breuer never realized they were doing this, even as he flew to Mexico and discussed Arizona's gun smuggling efforts and ordered the ATF agent there not to share that info with Mexico. Even when he was signing off on wiretap requests by the same people and hearing about the big case they were building, it never even occurred to Breuer to check up and see that they were not walking guns.

In fact, that thought was so far from Breuer's mind, that even when Brian Terry was killed and CBS News is publishing allegations of gun walking in Fast and Furious by the same people who did Wide Receiver, Breuer never thought to contact anyone in the Justice Department and tell them that he had reprimanded the very same people in Fast and Furious for walking guns in Wide Receiver? That thought didn't even cross his mind when CBS News named him as an accomplice and Eric Holder was defending him in September 2011?

You know, it is no news to me that Feinstein and Breuer both think the American public is unescapably stupid; but come on guys, at least pretend that you respect them enough to come up with a credible story. A 5yr old with chocolate smeared over his mouth and a half-eaten cookie in one hand could come up with something more credible than that.
 
Feinstein is partly right...more strict observance of the law and the Arms Control Export Act by DOJ, ATF, State and FBI would result in fewer guns going to Mexico, and some unknown US gangs.

I am not sure, given the facts of the case that are out there, that Feinstein is playing with a full deck. It's clear laws were at the least ignored by government agents charged with enforcing them, if this fiasco is limited to just the PHX office of ATF. How she gets to her conclusion that more law is needed, she needs a good doctor and a long bit of bed rest in a quiet place. However, the average Democrat narrative out of DC is only a little less contradictory to facts. This goes past her oft-expressed personal need to disarm every law-abiding citizen into lunacy.

To quote Bob Owens, the efforts by Feinstein and Breuer to save Holder are too little, too late, too brazenly insulting. There is no limit they won't sink to, but there is a limit to what will stick on the wall.
 
Why is Feinstein Yelping Now?

Shucks, I forgot. Most all of her funds for her next reelection campaign are frozen, if not gone...

DiFi got caught by a decades long fraud by the queen-bee of Democrat campaign fund administrators, who finally got too far behind the curve to keep going and is under indictment for misappropriation of funds and filing falacious campaign finance reports for a slew of state Democrats and some national ones, to include DiFi. At this point even if the money is actually there, the accounts under "management" by the perp (and she looks the part, not even the best beer goggles in the world could help) are frozen pending a full accounting and prosecution.

Sooo :(...how to make some money, the Chicago way? :confused: Carry water for Obama and Holder, silly :D. Create a diversion. Sure you look stupid, if not outright bonkers...who cares if your campaign gets paid for with other people's money and you get another Senate term. DiFi has plenty of personal money, but she didn't amass it by spending it...she spends OTHER people's money. :p
 
The utter rot at the top is amazing... I am by far no legal expert but it seems to me that in addition to the potential criminal charges that ATF, DOJ chiefs could be facing there may be a doorway to some civil litigation for the hyper gross negligence and criminal intent of the agencies policy that to me at least seems intended to kill US citizens as an official goal.
 
Does anyone want to start a pool on who will end up being sacrificed and which guilty parties will come out smelling like a rose:mad:

Our government is becoming the very thing our founding fathers were worried about:(

I feel sorry for my children, your children and their children!!!!!
 
Our government is becoming the very thing our founding fathers were worried about
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Nope. Sorry. Our national government has long done greater damage to the American people than George III of England could even have imagined.

Say what you will about George III, (I can't think of a single good thing myself,) I'm sure he wouldn't have spent borrowed so-called "stimulus" money to help criminals ship guns to Mexico as a round-about means of subverting the Second Amendment.
 
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SW, if George III didn't like you, he would quarter soldiers in your house. They were subject to some of his rules and none of yours, especially those regarding your daughter. That's how we came to have a third amendment. I'd say that's worse.
 
Clinton remembers learning about gunwalking from the press

Appearing before the House Foreign Affairs committee, Clinton was questioned by Rep. Connie Mack (R-Fla.) about the State Department’s involvement in the controversial Fast and Furious operation that has triggered hearings on Capitol Hill.

Mack asked Clinton if State had issued “the Justice Department a license or a written waiver in order to allow for the transfer of thousands of weapons across the U.S.-Mexico border?”

The secretary testified that State had “no record of any request for coordination. We have no record of any kind of notice or heads up.”

“My recollection is that I heard about it from the press,” Clinton added.

Claiming that it was the first time she had been asked that question, Clinton said that she had seen “no evidence” that such a waiver was granted and promised to investigate the matter further.
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So nobody checks with the State Department, Department of Justice, or President before allowing thousands of guns to go to Mexican cartels. That's just the kind of thing that local officials routinely do in a big government like ours, and is easily overlooked. If someone does happen to notice it, it's completely unremarkable and no action is taken.

Really? This is the official line. Our government is that stupid, and has no ability to communicate and coordinate at all, apparently. If I believed it, I would want to dismantle the whole thing, not just parts of it. :p
 
Good thing the press found out about it I suppose, good thing the press is there to keep them apprised of progress....or they'd all still be in the dark and totally clueless.
 
SW, if George III didn't like you, he would quarter soldiers in your house. They were subject to some of his rules and none of yours, especially those regarding your daughter. That's how we came to have a third amendment. I'd say that's worse.
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publius42: I stand corrected. I'd completely forgotten about that.
 
SW, if George III didn't like you, he would quarter soldiers in your house. They were subject to some of his rules and none of yours, especially those regarding your daughter. That's how we came to have a third amendment. I'd say that's worse.
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Id say the airport scanners arent too far off this, Id say that "see something say something campaign" is the biggest move by big brother in recent times along with the unconstitutional Patriot act. Id say we have plenty of encroachments that 15 years ago would have only been read about in some nightmare book.

The nightmare is here and the people responsible for it will be voting in 2012 but dont kid yourself "we the people" are responsible for much of how we got to where we are.
 
"Id say that "see something say something campaign" is the biggest move by big brother in recent times along with the unconstitutional Patriot act."
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Sounds like history. If you think your neighbor is hiding Jews in their attic, say something.
 
Huffington Post reports that former Attorney General Mukasey was briefed on gun-walking in 2007.. The same documents also include an interesting email from William Hoover to Bill Newell (both of Fast and Furious fame) asking if he has told the U.S. Attorney about the gunwalking yet. Rep. Elijah Cummings, who has mostly served to obfuscate and cover for DOJ, now seems excited about the opportunity to call in Mukasey for testimony.

Once again, I can't imagine how they think this is a useful comparison. The briefing appears to lay the blame for gunwalking in 2007 on less than enthusiastic assistance by their Mexican counterparts, meaning that unlike Fast and Furious, Mexico was aware of and cooperating with the investigation. Which naturally leads to the "How was Fast and Furious going to work if Mexico did not know it existed?" question. And given that Newell and Hoover were involved in both operations, it seems really strange that the choices made in Fast and Furious almost inevitably magnified the problems encountered during Wide Receiver.

And of course the second question is even more disturbing to this Administration... If the previous Administration's Attorney General was personally briefed when several dozen guns out of 200 were walked, then how did the current Attorney General manage to remain completely ignorant of 2,000 guns being walked by the same agents?
 
And of course the second question is even more disturbing to this Administration... If the previous Administration's Attorney General was personally briefed when several dozen guns out of 200 were walked, then how did the current Attorney General manage to remain completely ignorant of 2,000 guns being walked by the same agents?
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Something's rattling around on the periphery of my memory. Something about "elephants" and "rooms" ...
 
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