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the DOJ claims Holder doesn't read everything sent to him.
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I personally don't think that any of the 536 idiots in DC can read let alone the staff that the commander in chief has selected to be at his side. My goodness there has to be one hell of a mound in the carpet that they continue to sweep things under about the size of Mt. Everest.
 
I think this is one of the bigger news days when it comes to Fast and Furious. The first actual call by a member of Congress (to my knowledge) for a special prosecutor, white house staff "losing it" with a reporter over the issue, and proof Holder was less than accurate in his previous testimony to Congress. WHEW!!
 
Karmic justice that the very guns they wanted to secretly eliminate, are now coming back to haunt, and set public opinion...against them.
Nate Beeler for The Washington Examiner nailed it months ago.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nate-beelers-toons/2011/09/stonewalling
 
And Lamar Smith isn't just any member of Congress, he is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. He has significant power over the DOJ's budget should the Administration play hardball.
 
Batter up! Time for the constitution to deal a no hitter to those who would defy, defile and deny it as the supreme law of the land. F & F certainly denied due process (murder) and wasnt for the good of the people (murder & chaos) by any stretch of the imagination.

Better make so more room in those prisons...
 
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I wish I could be as optimistic as some of y'all that anything will come of Rep. Smith's letter. Why would Obama/Holder do anything whatsoever about it? They're not worried about DOJ's budget. If the Republicans haven't been able to yank a thin dime out of BATFE's budget, what possible chance is there they'll be able to do anything to the larger DOJ budget? Pretty much nonexistent. What the Republicans have is a bully pulpit, such as it is, and not much else.
 
Well, the President has the incentive to handle this now rather than let it drag into the campaign season - that is unless his hands are so dirty that re-election is the least of his worries. And of course, refusing to appoint a special prosecutor in this circumstance is going to create news all on its own.

And the Republicans were not a majority in the House until November 2010, so this will be the first chance to yank on the purse strings (especially considering the previous Congress did not even pass ANY budget). Since budget bills must originate in the House, that is no small threat.
 
There was also the release of the book by the Black Panther case whistle blower which does not shed a good light on Holder and the DOJ. My inclination is that the White is tied up with Holder on this mess and can not afford to let him go. Holder is now having to say I misunderstood the question. This is the top lawyer in the land and he says he misunderstood the question. The interview with CBS tells me that the White house wants this to go away for a reason.
 
Need to look at the JG sales suit. Al correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that the F&F documents may be supeneaed in this case. Could get interesting.
 
Well, the President has the incentive to handle this now rather than let it drag into the campaign season - that is unless his hands are so dirty that re-election is the least of his worries. And of course, refusing to appoint a special prosecutor in this circumstance is going to create news all on its own.
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I don't see it this way. First, the only play this is really getting is on Fox News - an audience the WH has long since given up on. Frankly, this F&F fiasco isn't really resonating outside us gun folks. People simply don't care. Sad, yes, but that is what I'm encountering.

And the Republicans were not a majority in the House until November 2010, so this will be the first chance to yank on the purse strings (especially considering the previous Congress did not even pass ANY budget).
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They've shown not the slightest ability to do this. Remember last week when another budget "crisis" rolled around and the issue of continuation of FEMA emergency funding of FY11 disasters came around? The House R's meekly suggested taking a couple billion out of Dept. of Energy's slush loan fund to help fund the emergency FEMA funding, and the Dems smacked that right out of the park. At each and every turn the Republicans in the House are outsmarted and outmaneuvered by the Democrats and even fellow Republicans in the Senate. That's not going to change.

Since budget bills must originate in the House, that is no small threat.
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That's what the Constitution says, but that's not how it works in DC and hasn't been in many a year. Congressional rules wink and nod at this and appropriations bills can issue from just about anyplace. Since all paths cross in reconciliation anyway, that's where the real legislation gets written.
 
Impeachment, conviction, imprisonment.

After all, look at what congress is trying to do to The Rocket for lying to them about 'roids.
 
Impeachment, conviction, imprisonment.

After all, look at what congress is trying to do to The Rocket for lying to them about 'roids.
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Might want to do a little more reading there.

First, even if the Republican-controlled House brought impeachment proceedings against Obama or Holder, and an impeachment was obtained, the impeachment trial is conducted by the Senate. Said Senate still has a solid Democratic majority. Impeachment isn't going anywhere - and even if they did somehow manage an impeachment and subsequent conviction in the Senate, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING. All that can happen to the impeachee is removal from office.

As far as what the Clemens proceeding is concerned, Congress has absolutely no involvement whatsoever. The case is being prosecuted by the DoJ based on a referral from Congress. The DoJ was under no compulsion to prosecute the case, but elected to do so based on the weight of the evidence and what they saw as the severity of the crime, the public interest in the case being taken to trial, as well as the likelihood of conviction. Congress can't "make" DoJ file charges against anyone - it's prosecutorial authority extends, pretty much, to the use of "pretty please".
 
First, the only play this is really getting is on Fox News - an audience the WH has long since given up on. Frankly, this F&F fiasco isn't really resonating outside us gun folks.
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Exactly. Very few congressmen are even talking about it; fewer than ten. Not one of the numerous presidential candidates has even mentioned Fast and Furious. Impeachment, Imprisonment; this is pipe dream stuff. It ain't going to happen.
 
A poster on Fox News comments offered one of the best explanations to date on why the AG was not aware of Fast and Furious.

He thought someone was sending him movie reviews.
 
So if you get a chance, you might drop CBS News a line and let them know that you think Sharyl Attkisson is quite reasonable in pursuing the story.
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Also, tell the computers and statisticians. You do it like this:

Follow Sharyl Attkisson on Twitter and put links to her stories about this everywhere you can on the internet.
 
Well csmsss, I'll guess we'll just wait and see how it plays out. Personally, I don't see how the President is going to be able to downplay being asked to investigate his own Attorney General for perjury given the evidence. To the extent that certain newspapers want to spend their credibility by choosing not to cover that, I'm OK with that as well.

And the story is getting play at places other than Fox News - as I noted earlier, the reporter who broke the story and who has been right in the forefront of reporting on it is Sharyl Attkisson, a CBS News reporter. The story even made the Daily Show (who pithily summed up the incident as "So your plan to prevent drug lords from getting guns was to give drug lords guns? What plans did you reject?").

And to emphasize that point, today, the San Francisco Chronicle (of all papers) runs a story on the demand for a special prosecutor and Fast and Furious. They were however careful to note that Wide Receiver (the Tuscon operation) was actually approved by the ATF during the Bush Administration. Personally, I just want to see this covered and the investigation go forward, if that means that heads roll on a bi-partisan basis for this bad, bad, idea, then I am OK with that.
 
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First, the only play this is really getting is on Fox News - an audience the WH has long since given up on. Frankly, this F&F fiasco isn't really resonating outside us gun folks.
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I'm not sure about that. The LA Times, not exactly a bastion of gun rights lovers or Obama haters, has a regular column on Fast and Furious developments. Actually, their coverage is a heck of a lot better than that by the local AZ newspaper (AZ Daily Star).
 
Discussion of politics or campaign issues are beyond the F and F issue.

Please cease and desist. There are certainly many other forums to disucss Presidents and politicians who lie to the American people. Enjoy those. :D
 
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