ATF Project Gunrunner

does this surprise anyone?
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At least in a private, non "to big to fail", company one could have the satisfaction of watching that companies decline and bankruptcy. Sadly not the case in government where failure is rewarded.
 
It would be funny to see someone sue the government for not providing equal protection under the law as if some obvious felons can have firearms provided at tax payer expense then cant all of them have firearms? Or is it some criminals are more fair than others?

Im no lawyer but maybe someone needs to do this....
 
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Al Norris wrote:

Once again, we get (very) close to conspiracy theory. sigh...

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Al:

In this case, (Operation F & F), I would say that we have long since passed the "theories" stage respecting "conspiracy", but that's just my view of the thing.
 
It is not a theory if they actually did conspire to do this. That is as it appears; and one does not need a tinfoil hat to see it.

This is not HAARP, or barbed wire fenced areas in Southwest Indiana, or giant tunnels under the United States, or (my favorite) the government projecting holographic images of Jesus Christ returning to Earth in the Second Coming to explain the disappearance of all of the Christian patriots.

It is more like "Its not paranoia if they are really out to get you."
 
jimpeel -- I suggest you fire up Google and check on tunnels under the US/Mexico border. There was another one in the news just a couple of days ago. There are hundreds of them, some (like the one just discovered) fairly sophisticated (electric lights and forced ventilation).
 
C0untZer0, they do devote resources to that, and also to busting booze smugglers. Those things don't grab the public's attention like guns do, though. Last month, for example, they executed a boatload of search and seizure warrants in Washington state against a cigarette smuggling ring.

Sort of like the Secret Service. They protect the president, et al, but they have other important stuff to do as well.
 
The Secret Service is another department that has a weird niche of law enforcement carved out for it. It's my understanding that they are the primary agency for combating counterfeiting.

But again... I'm sure it's a job that could fall under the purview of the FBI.
 
Pardon the thread drift -- I've had some limited professional contact with FBI, Secret Service, Postal Inspector, and IRS Criminal Investigations (money laundering). Secret Service impressed me as being the most professional. In addition to protecting the president and investigating counterfeiting crimes, they share authority with the FBI relating to credit card fraud and national bank frauds as they effect the monetary system.
 
The Secret Service is another department that has a weird niche of law enforcement carved out for it. It's my understanding that they are the primary agency for combating counterfeiting.
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Yep. They're under the Department of the Treasury. Ironically, the legislation forming the Secret Service was on Abraham Lincoln's desk the night he was killed.
 
Watched Hannaty twice. Excellent program.

Unfortunately, it like the Congressional investigations are focused on th ATF and the Justice department.

They need to expand to State department and Homeland security. Both of these organizations had to sign off on the program.

This has the potential to be as explosive as Watergate.
 
Nice essay from Pajamas Media:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-and-the-foundation-of-liberty

It all comes down to this: Is there an inalienable right to self-defense? If there is, each man has indisputable, inestimable value, value that he may rightly preserve even if the life of another man is forfeit. A man may kill another in lawful self-defense even if the policy preferences of the state would prefer his death. If a right to self-defense actually exists, it is in a very real sense the highest law of the land and all lesser laws must pay it deference. It fundamentally defines the social contract, the nature of the relationship between man and the state.

But if there is no such inalienable right, the entire nature of the social contract is changed. Each man’s worth is measured solely by his utility to the state, and as such the value of his life rides a roller coaster not unlike the stock market: dependent not only upon the preferences of the party in power but upon the whims of its political leaders and the permanent bureaucratic class.
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Nice essay from Pajamas Media:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalk...ion-of-liberty


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It all comes down to this: Is there an inalienable right to self-defense? If there is, each man has indisputable, inestimable value, value that he may rightly preserve even if the life of another man is forfeit. A man may kill another in lawful self-defense even if the policy preferences of the state would prefer his death. If a right to self-defense actually exists, it is in a very real sense the highest law of the land and all lesser laws must pay it deference. It fundamentally defines the social contract, the nature of the relationship between man and the state.

But if there is no such inalienable right, the entire nature of the social contract is changed. Each man’s worth is measured solely by his utility to the state, and as such the value of his life rides a roller coaster not unlike the stock market: dependent not only upon the preferences of the party in power but upon the whims of its political leaders and the permanent bureaucratic class.
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He writes as eloquently as the Founding Fathers, and SO hits the nail on the head
 
ltc444 wrote:

Watched Hannaty twice. Excellent program.

Unfortunately, it like the Congressional investigations are focused on th ATF and the Justice department.

They need to expand to State department and Homeland security. Both of these organizations had to sign off on the program.

This has the potential to be as explosive as Watergate.
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Strikes me that the gentleman just might have a point re his observations, concerning following lines of responsibility and the placing of blame where it ultimately belongs. A "once over, lightly", will not do, for it's likely, as the writer suggests, that responsibility goes far beyond DOJ and BATFE, which of and in themselves are certainly culpable, though they likely had quite a bit of "help" in their foolishness.
 
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