ATF Project Gunrunner

The feds have about the same chance of catching these mutts as they did of tracing weapons to "kingpins". It is complete farce to divert attention from Holder et. al. and F+F.

Heard the Terry's lawyer on the news last night. He referred to F+F as a "botched sting operation" and double-talked his way around some other facets of the case which reflect poorly on DOJ. Now, I can understand he wants to see some "gain" (wrong word, but I don't have another) for his clients, so playing patty-cake might seem a path to go.

On the other hand, Terry was issued bean-bags as a response to FMJ ammo. By the same savants now insisting Border Patrol agents follow the same directives as fifth-graders in an active shooter scenario (run, hide, throw things if found). Playing along to make such people less uncomfortable seems the wrong way to go.
 
It is complete farce to divert attention from Holder et. al. and F+F.
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It seems to me that the trial stirs things up. It brings more attention to F&F, I don't see how it diverts attention.

And it will get worse if the defendants try to subeona informants or even the 80,000 F&F docs that Holder doesn't want anyone to see.
 
If they actually deport them prior to trial for murder then I fear the DOJ has truly become a criminal enterprise.... Murder is a capital crime with few things in life more heinous.
 
Just found it on Fox: They turned three loose. It must have been catch and release week
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This doesn't surprise me. Many of the statewide straw purchasers received probation when sentence, and the ones who were sent to prison received 3-4 year sentences.

It's supposed to be 10 years.

It is complete farce to divert attention from Holder et. al. and F+F
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When the whole mess starting going public, the ATF did its best to flood the news wires with positive stories of their exploits to drown out the complaints. It didn't work, but it does show something of their leadership strategy.
 
Just found it on Fox: They turned three loose. It must have been catch and release week
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Three were caught "in the area" where Terry was shot. "In the area" is a relative term that could mean anywhere from Negro Canyon at I-19 to Hell's Gate, some 9 miles apart.
 
The effort has begun to disbar Holder.

SOURCE

Complaint seeks to have Holder disbarred after contempt vote

By Laura Prabucki

Published July 12, 2012

FoxNews.com

Fallout from the Operation Fast and Furious scandal continues to spread, as Attorney General Eric Holder faces a new call to be disbarred or penalized after he was found in contempt of Congress.

A formal complaint was filed last week with the Washington, D.C., Office of Bar Counsel -- of which Holder is a member. The letter was submitted by gun-rights advocates and bloggers David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh, who have reported extensively on Operation Fast and Furious.

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If a bunch of lawyers who make it their business to uphold ethics standards within the legal profession, or some watchdog group had done this it would be one thing - but it's Vanderboegh and Codrea.

Probably all the other news agencies that saw this just rolled their eyes, but Fox publishes a story on it... :D
 
I don't care who it is, they are citizens and can lodge a complaint. Holder needs to to lose his law license, one of his credentials to hold public office.

Never again.
 
DOJ Withheld Fast and Furious Whistleblower Memo

“It's inexcusable that the Justice Department withheld evidence of yet another red flag that ATF walked guns,” said Sen. Charles Grassley, a Republican member of the Senate Judiciary Committee whose initial investigation disclosed the agents’ concerns in early 2011. It was Grassley who was the recipient of the Feb. 4, 2011 letter from Justice that inaccurately denied gunwalking had occurred.

“As DOJ's denial was being crafted, some in ATF were alerting senior management that whistleblower protection guidance was in order because another agent had backed up the initial reports of gunwalking,” Grassley said. “The Justice Department is denying the public a full understanding of what it knew and when by sitting on documents like these that might be embarrassing.”
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There is nothing about this information that would compromise an ongoing investigation, nothing that merits a claim of executive privilege, and Congress certainly has the right as an independent branch of government to investigate how the DOJ came to lie to them.

Why is this only being released now? What else is being hidden without good cause?
 
I think this was leaked - not released. Or if it was released it was after the leak.

Maybe there isn't anything here that is covered by EP, but was it really germane to F&F itself?

The important aspects of this to me are:

1) This memo popped out and got things stirred up again

2) The Obama admistration has a serious leak problem on its hands

3) F&F is not going away - every time things calm down a little and F&F stories get scarce - another document will get leaked.
 
Things get leaked when employees are not happy about the way things are run. This DOJ must have some very unhappy employees.

Rick
 
^ I think you're right about that.

But someone really has to have an axe to grind to leak documents. Whistleblower Protection Act lets you go to the authorities (including congress), when you think that the law is being violated, it doesn’t cover you for leaking documents.

When Holder was made the AG, he spoke about being an activist AG, about using the position of AG to change the country. Being activist and choosing one area of law enforcement to focus on is one thing, but using agencies to fabricate a falsehood on a grand scale and put it over on the American public – that’s another thing.

My hope is that there are thousands and thousands of career law enforcement professionals at the various bureaus and within DOJ itself who just want to see the various agencies do their jobs, and don’t want to see the agencies used to manipulate public opinion for a political agenda.

Maybe the administration thinks the leak is localized to ATF and the person who is leaking documents doesn’t have access to the memos that passed between people like Lanny Breuer, Burke, Newell, Holder, Napalitano, et all.

As leaks go – this one was weak.
 
Agreed; leaks and whistle blowing are distinctly different. I hope that both types can get the info out to the committee and the public about what's going on in this not so transparent DOJ.

Rick
 
Luger_carbine said:
Maybe there isn't anything here that is covered by EP, but was it really germane to F&F itself?
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No, this leak was germane to the question of how the DOJ came to lie to Congress about gunwalking and then to stand by that increasingly implausible lie for ten months before withdrawing it.

It seems a subject of legitimate interest to Congress. Their oversight should include the operation itself and the ensuing coverup, perhaps especially the coverup part.

In the days leading up to the contempt votes against Eric Holder, the focus of the Congressional investigation was being narrowed to the subject of how the DOJ came to lie to them, but failing to investigate that subject was never on the table and should not be.
 
I didn't catch this aspect of it at first - but in that Fox News piece BGutzman posted, William La Jeunesse points out that Obama appointees were orchestrating retaliation against the whistleblowers and other people in ATF put out the warning about whistleblower protection and the illegality of retaliation.

But the most important aspect of it was the timing and who knew what. It seems to indicate that the appointees knew about F&F before they said they did.

It would be interesting to track the memos and documentation concerning the retaliation - it may be a smoking gun.
 
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