I agree. I think you misread my post.....
You will of course need to wait until he attempts to get within striking distance
You will of course need to wait until he attempts to get within striking distance
You need to start with much simpler questions the next time you talk to them.My opinion comes from discussions with multiple prosecutors, DA's, and ADA's.
My opinion comes from discussions with multiple prosecutors, DA's, and ADA's. if you are getting 'robbed' something we haven't really defined situationally, (i'll assume someone trespassing, taking your stuff, who you are not within a few arms reach of)you see a gun in the thief's belt, so you draw and fire upon seeing it(even if he 'motions' for it) you are in for a legal battle you may very well lose. Regardless of what people say would be a legal use of your firearm.
Last year a local business owner shot a man 'going for his gun in his truck' after threatening the owner. months after the business owners arrest, he was found to be in the clear, but the jail time, legal fees, and lengthy trial by jury (which can go anyway), speak to what I'm trying to get across.
I think the moral of this all is, "There are a lot of situations where you can draw. However, those same situations can be survived without drawing." You can get out a lot of street trouble without a gun.
I believe the time to draw is when: There is no other option. You want it clear to you and a jury of your peers that you had no other choice. Life or death.
It doesn't help us to think of the use of lethal force as a "choice." If one resorts to the use of lethal force it should be under circumstance which made its use a necessity.daddyo said:...Thankfully the law still allows us to prevent such life threatening attacks, should we as an individual choose to do so...
I said nothing about taking a beating before you draw. In fact I said, "those were times where I probably could have drawed."
The laws vary by state.
"Lucky," is incorrect. If you are walking to your car, and a thug comes to carjack you, and the thug already has a gun in his hand, even if you have your gun on you, you will need a lot more than a draw to get yourself out of that situation. You will need to reverse the odds from a disadvantage.
That's a lot more than luck.
........my take on this quote is that you don't feel the need for a gun. Why else mention that many of the situations where a gun was justified in being presented but none was presented, are survivable. Then you go on to explain how you were robberd at knife point............IMO that qualifies as your life being held in the hands of the knife holder......and beaten pretty badly in two others....also life threatening IMO seeing as a single blow has killed many full grown men."There are a lot of situations where you can draw. However, those same situations can be survived without drawing." You can get out a lot of street trouble without a gun.
It doesn't help us to think of the use of lethal force as a "choice." If one resorts to the use of lethal force it should be under circumstance which made its use a necessity.
If you are walking to your car and a thug comes to carjack you and you allowed him to approach you with a gun in his hand without a response then you deserve to be at his mercy. At that point compliance is probably the best course of action.
........my take on this quote is that you don't feel the need for a gun. Why else mention that many of the situations where a gun was justified in being presented but none was presented, are survivable.
If somebody comes to carjack you; most likely, they approached so quickly, that they already had a gun drawn before you noticed them.
As for getting robbed at knifepoint. The first occasion I was age 10, and the second I was age 13. This happened, "whilst growing up."
I hate to break it to you, but most prey for criminals are going to be, "the most vulnerable people."
If I'm being aware there will be no sneak attack from a gun weilding foe period.
I may be more aware than you and less aware that another.
You draw down and open fire whenever your conscience tells you too. Whether or not you are protected by your states laws will be determined by someone other than me.A robber with a gun in his waistband is certainly imminent by definition, completely an imminent threat by every known source of information available, and extremely imminent by any trained firearms training expert.