Are the No Gun signs coming down where you live?

Are the "No Gun" signs coming down where you live?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 23.5%

  • No

    Votes: 9 13.2%

  • About the same

    Votes: 37 54.4%

  • Don't live in a carry state

    Votes: 6 8.8%
  • Total voters
    68
  • Poll closed .
Here in Utah, the only places a CWP does not "entitle" you to carry are in/on federal property or an LDS church/temple. Doing so on federal property is a felony, but in/on LDS property it is not as I understand it an "offense of any kind" unless you have been asked to leave, refusal is thereby a trespass infraction. Any other church (Catholic for example) or religious establishment is GTG. I believe the BCI has to be petitioned by the property owner/s to make carry on a property an automatic "offense" and it has to be published on the BCI website.

But no there are no signs here.
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No Handguns Signs

As many of you may know, a couple of months back Alabama made some changes to our state gun laws, and we are now an "open carry" state. Let me state up-front that I do not open carry but I do appreciate the option. Now I have to find a new gas station/convience store. My favorite store, best gas prices around, good coffee, etc., has now posted "no handguns allowed" signage. This morning I stopped in for a cup and there was the sign. Being me, I entered anyway (conceled carry), got my coffee and a snack, paid for my items and informed the morning manager, who I have been seeing most mornings for the last six years, that this would be my last purchase from them and explained why. Worst yet was her attitude after my explaination. She obviously was not a gun fan. I'm trying to find a website/email address for the chain.

Have any other Alabama members noticed more business posting this signage since the changes became law?
 
No weapons, CCW signs....

There are very few NO GUNS or NO WEAPONS signs in my metro area in 09/2013.
It was explained to me by a state licensed instructor in 2000 when I first relocated here that a private business can post a NO GUNS sign but it carrys no real legal/civil weight. :rolleyes:
The business owner or employee/security officer can ask you to leave & if not you can be charged with criminal trespass or maybe trespass after notice.

As I've stated in other topics, 98/99% of private businesses or restaurants/bars just want to avoid illegal guns or underage patrons who might carry guns, knives, brass knuckles, saps, etc.
A 45 year old guy with 0 criminal records & a concealed J frame or compact Glock is not going to scare any shop keepers or fast food workers.

Clyde
 
Correct. Blue signs do not apply to chl holders. 51% and 30.06 are the ones to look for...

I missed a 30.06 at one place... It was posted at the location I exited but not where I entered.... Nothing happened lol...

"Gun buster" signs and no guns allowed do not carry any weight of the law....

After visiting Louisiana, Texas gun laws are more clear to me... As the waters are murky in Louisiana
 
My bank (Arvest), after OK passed open carry last year, posted a "no weapons" sign. They must have gotten some flak because then they changed it to "no open carry."

However, a McDonalds in Stroud, OK, which I visit maybe once a year, now has a "no weapons" sign. I guess they want to make sure mass murderers feel safe in doing their dirty deeds.

Other than those, every medical facility I visit has a "no weapons" sign. The orthopedic center where my wife works even has a picture of a knife on the "no weapons" sign.
 
Technosavant

You are incorrect.

The MO CCW law does not spell out any felonies at all. Not one. While there is a list of locations where your permit does not allow you to carry a firearm, in most of those locations CCW is a possibility with permission.
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Don't know where you got your information or your qualifications to interpret statute but I will continue to rely on my information from the gentleman who taught my ccw class and Kevin L. Jamison (Attorney at Law) whose dvd was utilized in the class. Both of these gentlemen were instrumental in drafting and getting passed the original ccw in MO.
 
Cowboy_mo said:
Don't know where you got your information or your qualifications to interpret statute but I will continue to rely on my information from the gentleman who taught my ccw class and Kevin L. Jamison (Attorney at Law) whose dvd was utilized in the class. Both of these gentlemen were instrumental in drafting and getting passed the original ccw in MO.
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KJ is very knowledgeable but I highly doubt he said carrying in a prohibited location in MO is a felony. Since he helped draft the law, he'd know what it said, and it doesn't say that.

This particular part of that CCW law is RSMO 571.107... linked here.

Note part 2 down at the bottom, where penalties are spelled out. It very specifically says, and I quote from the law:

RSMO 571.107(2) said:
Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense.
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Note the bolded part. It's not a criminal act. Not a misdemeanor. Definitely not a felony. The only possible way this could be a felony is if you are going on federal property with it, where federal law (not MO law) applies. Schools are not included in that... there's the gun-free school zones act, but it exempts those with CCW endorsements, so that's not a felony either.

Even government offices and other buildings aren't automatically off limits- they can be made such by local law, but they cannot be made to be criminal offenses... just grounds for removal from the building as spelled out in the penalty section.

Search the law for yourself, it's easy enough to understand, even for legalese. There must have been a misunderstanding somewhere along the way for you to have that impression, because it just isn't the case.

Edit to add: the one place that MO law does make a felony for carrying a firearm is public transportation (buses, light rail rapid transit). But that's done in another part of MO Law, not in the CCW law.
 
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Edit to add: the one place that MO law does make a felony for carrying a firearm is public transportation (buses, light rail rapid transit). But that's done in another part of MO Law, not in the CCW law.
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I've never understood that prohibition of carrying on buses,light raii,etc,. locations where the need to defend yourself certainly might arise. And Missouri is not the only state with this quirk.

And some states even have libraries as OL, quite inane. Although usually less threatening than the bus. :D
 
We don't need signs here, the state doesn't trust us with guns. And the federal government has no interest in enforcing the constitution on which it's based.

However if by some miracle we ever did get to carry I can only imagine that 90-95% of businesses would put one up with some haste.
 
Coyote Blue said:
I've never understood that prohibition of carrying on buses,light raii,etc,. locations where the need to defend yourself certainly might arise. And Missouri is not the only state with this quirk.
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My understanding is that prohibition predates MO's CCW law. If your assumption is anybody carrying a firearm (since legal carry doesn't exist) is a criminal intent on mayhem, then that's just something to throw at them. Especially if you consider that many gun control laws are really just designed to ensure those of low socioeconomic status can't arm themselves... it's a way to keep poor people from maintaining an effective defense. Rich folks can use their own cars.
 
I live in Hampton Roads, Va. and haven't seen any.
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I live in the mountains on the other end of the state and I haven't seen any either. I think a business might as well close their doors around here if they put up signs. Whether we hillbillys carry or not, we don't want to be told that we can't.
 
I really don't know what to say here. Other than the usual places that your not legally allowed to carry, I can't remember seeing any "No Firearm" signs on private businesses.

Georgia seems to be a pretty pro-2nd amendment.
 
Andy Blozinski:
I haven't figured out why this was supposed to make sense, but hospitals are one of the default locations in Texas law where you cannot concealed carry.
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(b) A hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the hospital or nursing home, as appropriate, a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c) other than the requirement that the sign include on its face the number “51”.
(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height and must include on its face the number “51” printed in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
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Has TX DPS changed this recently and not updated their website? I just looked this up on their website. BTW, I don't remember ever seeing one of these signs at any hospitals I have been to.
 
public buses, public libraries....

I've had to rely on public bus/light rail/etc off & on over the years.
I agree that some of these NO WEAPONS or NO GUNS ordinances hinder the poor/low income members of society most.

I've posted a incident I had at a metro area bus stop years ago on TFL.
A guy was walking back & forth thru a crowd of low income public bus passengers waiting at stop. I noticed him looking over the patrons & quietly slid my hand inside my jacket on my Beretta 96D .40 pistol.
The thug saw me, looked down at my chest, then briskly walked away from the bus stop.
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Concealed carry license holders & gun owners should be allowed to move about freely, rich or poor. Some restrictions should apply but public or free service transportation isn't one of them.
My metro area has a free bus line downtown that ALWAYS has vagrants, street people, etc on them. :mad:
The city has a IRIS security camera network but these street people still get in fights, rob people, damage or steal property, etc.

CF
 
I've never seen such a sign in NJ. I guess I never will since the NRA has forgotten about us.
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I hate that Jersey is not a friendly gun state.

To be honest though, The NRA doesn't have enough money or influence to change the people of the state. As some states move forward others move back. Really Bites. :(

Hang in there, stay safe and get together with more like minded people in your state. If you can't change anything, at least you have a support group!
 
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