Are the No Gun signs coming down where you live?

Are the "No Gun" signs coming down where you live?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 23.5%

  • No

    Votes: 9 13.2%

  • About the same

    Votes: 37 54.4%

  • Don't live in a carry state

    Votes: 6 8.8%
  • Total voters
    68
  • Poll closed .
Texas has specific legal signage to ban concealed carry. I've only seen it three times. Where I work, at the last gun show I went to and a third place I've forgotten. The bars around here are actually pretty slack about putting up their 51% signs. I'm still weirded out that banks aren't a default banned place in the law. It's not that I have a problem with the concept of carrying there, but it's that I would expect them to freak out at potential bank robbers with anyone coming in with a weapon.
 
The only no gun sign I can think of is at our local theater. The funny part is it's the size of a postage stamp.I think people violate it everyday of the week. The same theater hires us as security to basicaly just stand there armed and look intimating. We sometimes break up a fight or two but that's about it. Great use of a uniformed Deputy but it's extra pay.
 
New laws, CCW....

My state passed new laws/statues that clearly say local cities/towns/counties can not put out anti-gun(2A carry) or "no weapons" signs/displays.
This is a big + for many CC license holders in the state(to include tourists with valid CCW licenses from other areas).
NO GUNS signs are not that common but I have seen a few shops & places that are normal places for teens/young adults to congregate or shop that state: no illegal or unauthorized weapons or drugs.
:rolleyes:
That to me, just sounds like a civil liability point more than a public safety or homeland security issue.
I, too have seen a few public offices & private businesses with printed signs so small, 98/99% of employees or visitors would ignore them.

As a security officer, I can tell you honestly that some people as so vapid or unaware of there surroundings that signs or warnings are meaningless.
I've caught people in secured areas covered with yellow or orange warning signs/tape who are totally clueless.
 
Andy Blozinski said:
...at the last gun show I went to...
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Oh, yeah. Forgot about the gun shows. There is some debate as to whether these signs are enforceable, as all the shows I've been to were on property owned by a municipality, but I would just as soon not be the test case. Sure get swept a lot at gun shows, though.

Andy Blozinski said:
The bars around here are actually pretty slack about putting up their 51% signs.
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TABC would have something to say about that. There is a host of signs you are required to post. 51%, pregnant women shouldn't drink(lady's AND men's room), human trafficking(!). Your liquor license can be revoked for knowingly allowing someone to carry on the premises, except for the license holder/employee of same who oversees the operation of the business and of course law enforcement.

For the CHL holder, it is a defense to prosecution (read: you might beat the rap, but not the ride) if the sign is not posted. Of course I can think of two places off the top of my head that I sure would have thought qualified as bars, but according to their license didn't.

KMAX said:
9mmFan: Excellent reply. I did not mean to imply that the blue signs are not legit. They are. You explained the situation far better than I even thought about.
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Thank you. This is one area where I can occasionally be useful:D I managed a bar for quite some time and tried very hard to understand the laws, though I will point out that I am not a lawyer.
 
No its not a sign I have ever seen in this part of the UK.
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- manta49



....for much the same reason the people of North Korea don't see any "No Political Dissent" signs ....... Carrying a firearm in the UK is generally highly illegal.

Here in Texas you seldom see a no gun sign and our politicians are for the most part trying to loosen up things more.
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Y'all have those giant, gaudy 30.06 signs ...... nobody wants one of those cluttering up their storefront!
 
Y'all have those giant, gaudy 30.06 signs ...... nobody wants one of those cluttering up their storefront!
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Well, if it works to our advantage...:D I don't think I have seen a 30.06 sign anywhere.
 
manta49



....for much the same reason the people of North Korea don't see any "No Political Dissent" signs ....... Carrying a firearm in the UK is generally highly illegal.
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Not in this part of the UK all police carry firearms off duty, also prison officers and civilians that are at risk.
 
SC has very specific rules about the size, shape, placement, color and wording on the signs and almost no business ever gets it 100% right. The result is that the sign doesn't carry any legal weight. Some businesses put them up when the law first went into effect and some have since taken them down as people have complained. My bank :mad: recently put one up and I registered my displeasure with the branch manager. I need to look up the regs again but I don't think their sign is quite right either.
 
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Post #20, super-markets....

Post #20 is interesting. Supermarkets & large dept stores can be difficult to have a use of force event in. There is often a lot of customers & employees(bystanders) and bright lights.
About 5 weeks ago, a well organized group of armed robbers pulled a "takedown" robbery of a large supermarket in a upper-middle class area near me.
I saw the local news reports & was thinking how a CCW response or lethal force would be hard in that incident. You couldn't really shoot it out with 3 or 4 robbers(armed with military type weapons & using tactical gear/clothing) w/o any collateral damage. You also could tag one or two but then it would quickly turn into a hostage situation or a barricaded subject.
Many businesses that deal in large amounts of cash or sales are now using off duty LE officers or armed uniformed security guards. It's more of a deterrent than anything but Id rather "back up" a security officer than be accountable for a huge mess like a supermarket robbery attempt.
 
OH has specific rules about sign locations and basic format. I find many places aren't following the rules.

For example many places place a sign on a window, low and withe a clear background with black writing. Since this sign is a) invisible and b) not on the door, will I be arrested and found guilty of a 25th degree felony or whatever it is, in OH?

This hiding, mislocating, wrong format, wrong wording is what I see most. I think the businesses who do that are playing both sides of the fence. If an anti- asks, they can show them the sign. If a pro- looks for it in the correct spot/format, they will not see it.

Still, what is the prosecuter/court going to do when a kid crawling around on the floor or some other weird angle tells (anti-)mom about a CCW and anti- tells the manager to do something? When the police come, am I wrong that they won't just arrest me, even if it is a 2"x2" clear w/ black print sign 20' from the door? Yes, this is a real example of a sign I've seen.


My real favorite is the 4" x 8" sign on the guard shacks which are supposed to tell people that the whole parking lot is no carry. Huh, didn't see that in the ORC.
 
My real favorite is the 4" x 8" sign on the guard shacks which are supposed to tell people that the whole parking lot is no carry. Huh, didn't see that in the ORC.
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Not sure about sign size, but if the parking lot is private and you don't live there, it is stated in the ORC that the owner of a private property, can be legally a no carry zone if properly posted.
 
It's more of a deterrent than anything but Id rather "back up" a security officer than be accountable for a huge mess like a supermarket robbery attempt.
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As is your prerogative as long as it is not a no carry zone which was referred to.

As far as private businesses, the sign is considered like the old "no shoes, no shirts, no service" and if you are seen carrying in them and asked to leave, it is a "my bad" didn't see the sign and leave, no worries. Also the law specifies the size of the sign and the wording to be considered official notice under the law.
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Draw and use your weapon in a place like this is more than a "my bad". Might find yourself in more trouble than you really want even if you never used it.

Do what you want but be willing to accept possible consequences, I say this without judgement to personal choices.;) As for me, I wouldn't be in the store in the first place. :D
 
The hospital I visited today had written in white letters on the glass doors at the entrance:

"This is a Tobacco-Free Environment"

and beneath that was written:

"No Weapons Allowed"

Nothing else.
 
I haven't figured out why this was supposed to make sense, but hospitals are one of the default locations in Texas law where you cannot concealed carry.
 
Cowboy_MO said:
The CCW law specifies certain places such as gov't buildings, schools, etc where ccw is NOT allowed and to violate on those premises is a Felony and conviction will cost you your CCW.
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You are incorrect.

The MO CCW law does not spell out any felonies at all. Not one. While there is a list of locations where your permit does not allow you to carry a firearm, in most of those locations CCW is a possibility with permission. Example: churches are on that "not authorized" list, but with permission it is allowable and not against the law at all.

For the vast majority of those on that list it is not any kind of a violation of the law. That is only if you carry there, are discovered, and refuse to leave. Then you are only guilty of trespass (a completely separate violation, and one that can be committed without any firearm at all)... your CCW permit is only in jeopardy if you have multiple violations of that.

The only times you are in actual violation of the law simply by carrying a firearm someplace prohibited is when there is a separate law entirely prohibiting that... a law that is NOT the MO CCW law. Those are very few and far between.
 
Crazy, I've never seen a sign like that at any business around here.

1 exception being banks, but it's just kind of thrown in with "No masks, large hoods, hats or guns"
 
They are about the same but with the exception of a few places, they don't carry the word of law in Kentucky so I don't really look for them any more either.
 
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