Are Glocks unsafe ?

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like many have said before me there are many more out there than the usual sidearm, also 65% of law enforcement agencies use Glock.

There Only Unsafe When: you don't use the safety between your ears.
 
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I know a lot of people get a bit unnerved when they have to pull the trigger in order to field strip a Glock. Yet many of these same people advocate 1911s. Consider the procedure used to field strip a Colt 1911. You must depress the recoil spring plunger and rotate the barrel bushing in order to field strip. If you forget to check the chamber on a 1911, you could blow your finger off or worse during field stripping.
With a Glock, you may screw up and fire a round during the field strip process. But the difference is, with the Glock you are intentionally pulling the trigger and therefore should be pointing the weapon in a safe direction. Prepairing the Glock for field stripping is no different than preparing the weapon for dry fire practice.
 
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I don't see any gun unsafe for field stripping no matter what the procedure. You should be checking the chamber on EVERY gun before field stripping. XDs are made so you have to lock the slide all the way back before field stripping, but on mine, I still rack the slide back and look down the chamber and then rack the slide again and lock it back. This way you don't get into a routine on one pistol and neglect to do it on another. Like others say, use the safety between your ears first.
 
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If you forget to check the chamber on a 1911, you could blow your finger off or worse during field stripping.
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And just how could that happen pray tell?

Oh that's right, you'd have to pull the trigger. :rolleyes: So what you're really saying is not that the Glock is unsafe but rather that the 1911 is more forgiving to careless fools who field strip a loaded weapon.

If you can't remember to ensure the chamber is empty before dismantling your pistol then perhaps you'd be better off with a revolver. Or better yet a bow and arrow.

The bottom line is that it's completely safe to pull the trigger on an empty chamber and careless fools own all sorts of guns.
 
BluesBear, You need to re-read my post.

Let me refrase. Every weapon should be checked before field stripping. The Glock forces you to pull the trigger. Because you are forced to pull the trigger on a Glock, it becomes a deliberate act. I don't know of anyone who pulls the trigger deliberately while pointing the weapon at them selves. With some other pistols, pulling the trigger during field stripping could happen by accident while your fingers or other body parts are in front of the weapon. I have heard of people pulling the trigger accidently and shooting themselves while cleaning a weapon.

If a weapon is going to discharge, I would want it to happen before I started the field strip. I am NOT saying that a 1911 is more forgiving
 
I am having a real hard time communicating my thoughts, for this I appologize.
My point:
Prepare the Glock for field stripping by dropping the magazine, checking the chamber and then pointing the weapon in a safe direction and pull the trigger.
Prepare a 1911 for field stripping by dropping the magazine, checking the chamber then you depress the recoil spring plunger and rotate the barrel bushing.

Do you see the point I am making?
With the Glock, you have pulled the trigger while pointing the weapon at a safe backstop before disassembly. If a round was left in the chamber, you will have an ND. But thats all you will have.
With the 1911, you could drop the magazine and still have a round in the chamber. Sense pulling the trigger is not part of the procedure, you could start field stripping with a loaded weapon. Now you have a loaded weapon and your hand is right in front of the muzzle. If you accidently pull the trigger, you loose fingers or put holes where you don't need holes.
 
i just don't see how anyone could NOT check the chamber and start to strip their weapon with a round in the chamber. On most guns you ahve to lock the slide back after you drop the mag, and that should eject any cartridge that is in there anyway
 
Johnksa you mentioned on page 11, that glock makes there own holsters. I was unaware of this?!!! Could you post a link to the place they sell them, becuase i was on there website and unless im just blind i didnt see were they listed them.

I believe that most glock accidents are ND, but if someone who buys his glock, treats it well, follows the rules, but goes to his local gun shop and gets a decent priced holster only to have ad due to poor construction, i dont consider that to be fully his fualt. Sure he should have done some research, but the manual should have mentioned something.

I also believe that glocks and xds are not pistols for first time shooters, and those with no intention of training at all. I believe that those people would be better served by the da/sa and dao pistols that have safetys.

May be glock should make a new option for there guns, a beginner glockers option. It would consist of the NY1 trigger modual, and a glock factory installed manual safety. It should be a option, that way, those of us that dont need the heavier trigger and safety wouldnt have to order or have them, and those that want or need them can get them.
 
i just don't see how anyone could NOT check the chamber and start to strip their weapon with a round in the chamber. On most guns you ahve to lock the slide back after you drop the mag, and that should eject any cartridge that is in there anyway
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Not on my 1911, Firestar, High Standard, Walther or old Astra.

You may not see it but it happens as surely as NDs happen. HUMAN ERROR will never be fully removed and anyone who tells you otherwise is a ninny. If you don't pull the trigger and begin stripping a 1911 with a round in it you wind up with a loose round and moment of severe embaressment. With a Glock you have to pull that trigger so if the same stupid mistake is made you have an ND instead of a moment of embaressment.
 
I am responding to the original post.

I have shot a couple Glocks my Deputy Sheriff buddy owns at the range, and in my opinion, they are not very safe. I don't find the trigger safety to be a safety whatsoever.

Being Glocks are top on the list of AD's by LEO's, I think my belief is supported by stats.

I don't condone taking them away from anyone, however. I just don't believe I would own one because of the lack of safety.

They are only as safe as the user. User's are human. Humans are not perfect and therefore, accidents will ensue. I like my weapons with inherent safeties, 1911 or even just a simple flip-safety.
 
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Sounds like LEO's need more training if they are having ADs. I wonder what kind of disciplinary action is levied on an officer if he has an ND.
 
I am only here because this needs to be said(don't care if it's been said before)

Anybody who shoots themself "accidently" is a moron!

It's your job to know if your gun is loaded or not. Also your Job to know about your trigger, and what is in proximity to it...

If Isense an activity I will be in may compromise my reverd G33, I switch to a different gun.

The Gun is NOT UNSAFE.. YOU ARE!

CAN WE KILL THIS THREAD NOW...One will be along soon enough to replace it:rolleyes:
 
Kristof,

LOL, a bit of histility there, eh?

I am just stating facts. And, I didn't say they should be removed from the hands of anyone.

Most of the AD's by LEO's I was referring to do not end in injury. The trigger may get caught on something when they are holstering it or it may discharge in a struggle where the assailant is going for the weapon. I can say that they sure get a freaked look on their face when the bullet travels down their leg and rips a strip of their pants out, but leaves the skin...hah.

I do notice, however, that a lot of LEO's finger the trigger before they get on target. This, I agree, is an unsafe practice and may lead to an AD with any weapon, beit a 1911 or a Glock. A lot of training dictates that you do not even finger the trigger before you are ready to shoot...on target or not.
 
CrazyIvan, My post was not directed at you;)

I just wish folks would differentiate, between AD and ND.

Two entirely seperate definitions
 
Normally I don't get on a personnal level, but to many uninformed dumba**es are buying guns nowadays, and this is where these urban legends start.
 
Glocks are not "unsafe". If any shooter feels thay are, then it's probably the shooter that is unsafe! (sorry to anyone who feels this means them, but hell, learn how to handle the weapon!)
 
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