AR-15 haters club part4

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How to improve the AR-15/M16? Look at the Daewoo, or ZM Weapons approach. AK-style gas piston, but still an AR lower. No more "defecating where it eats", how about that? Betcha the action fouling and subsequent reliability issues would go bye-bye, too.

My 14 years of active duty experience are Air Force, mostly as aircrew, so I can't relate anything about dragging M16's through the mud, sorry. I can, however, relate that the day I qualified with the M16 in basic, back in April of 1986, the recruit to the left of me (a southpaw from the U.S. Virgin Islands, I'll never forget his enthusiasm for the Air Force) had a slamfire that burned his right cornea. He never finished basic.

I've requalified with the M16 several times since then, prior to overseas assignments of for deployments. While I feel the current system of 25yard reduced targets, simulating 200 meter engagements, is weak at best, it is after all the Air Force, arguably the most 9-to-5, Monday-through-Friday branch of the military, and it's a miracle we even shoot any small arms or attempt proficiency. Those of us who do shoot off-duty, seldom have trouble qualifying expert when the time comes. But I sure as heck would rather rely on a Marine or Army member if it got to a ground shooting conflict. The last time I qualified with the M16 at McClellan AFB, my issue rifle was an early variant, no forward assist or brass deflector, vintage bullet-dial rear sight, and as I looked it over, the instructor noticed my confusion. Forward of the receiver, the gun had the 1-7" HBAR profile barrel, round handguard, and solid-bottom flash hider. They couldn't afford complete new guns, so they were just rebarreled. Weird, but it shot well enough to get expert again.

When my wife fired my preban Colt Competition HBAR, the first words out of her mouth were "What's up with the "Sproingg?" She still feels my Kalashnikov is a better rifle, and to this day refers to the Colt as "Sproingg". And I even greased the recoil buffer and spring.

Wonder what John Moses and John Cantius would say if they were around?
 
EchoFiveMike;

The ways to fix the operating system would be to:

A. Change the bolt carrier, and gas tube in favor of a tube with a piston that reciprocates onto the carrier. Add a gas regulator under the front sight.

B. Change the bolt & bolt fact to get rid of that ridiculous little ejector, and install a fixed ejector.

C. Loosen the tolerances a little bit. Sub MOA is great, but more reliable is better.

D. Make a shorter bolt carrier, and use an internal recoil spring instead of the buffer that extends into the stock (the source of the sproing). That way the military could have some good folding stocks instead of that telescoping dealie.

Thats to fix the gun.

or

E. Get rid of it, exercise our American ingenuity and build the greatest military rifle the world has ever seen. A modular weapon system, more reliable than the M16, more accurate than the AK, and capable of being used as a tent stake or pry bar if neccesary, availible in a regular or bullpup configuration as neccesary.
 
It's Don't Feed The Troll(s). After 4 iterations, this is getting more shrill than the Gore camp's crying over the Palm Beach ballot.

Then don't read the thread? Okay - then don't use a gun you don't like. ;)
 
Mad Dog and George, if I can make it to the Utah shoot, I'll be more than willing to play the "nud game" with BOTH my AK and my FAL. BTW, I'd like there to be two logs on the far side of the mud, about 4' apart...rest your rifle across them, (muxxle on one, end of buttstock on the other) and the participant sits (full weight)on his rifle for 30 seconds. Obviously, I'm not worried about my rifles getting hurt...they won't!
 
i will say what i said one more time, in the long run this Topic is not going to do any good. MAD DOG and all the guys like him will still not like the M16, and all the guys like me will still like the M16, and you can go on and on and on and it still is not going to do any good the U.S. Military will still use the M16 Series of Rifles, and U.S. Soldier's will still carry the M16 into combat. so lets stop and say that ther are guys that like the M16 and ther are guys that don't like the M16. ok :)

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Technical Sergeant Andrew Robert Smith
CO LRRP Team
of the Second Ranger Battalion Charlie Company in WW2 Online.
 
"Dude" wrote:
"MAD DOG and all the guys like him will still not like the M16, and all the guys like me will still like the M16,..."

Thanks, "Dude". That really sums it up about as well as I could have hoped. :D
Game, set, and match!
QED once again,
Mad Dog
 
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