AirForceShooter
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Call the clerk of the probate court and ask what's going on.
See if the judge will require and documents you could bring with you.
AFS
See if the judge will require and documents you could bring with you.
AFS
Applying for my Georgia WCL - Asked to come to court?
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Uncle Buck
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Trevor, My wife just completed the process back in July. One of the proudest moments of our marriage was when she held that little American Flag and said it was now hers! Good Luck with the citizenship process.
I have read somewhere beore that it is basically a "hearing" to make sure you are who you say you are and to make sure they do not overlook something. One of the questions they asked was "Do you know where it is legal to carry a concealed handgun?"
You sound like you are playing by the rules and I wish the best of luck.
I have read somewhere beore that it is basically a "hearing" to make sure you are who you say you are and to make sure they do not overlook something. One of the questions they asked was "Do you know where it is legal to carry a concealed handgun?"
You sound like you are playing by the rules and I wish the best of luck.
Walklightly
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If he was illegal, than he's an idiot to try to get a CCW. He didn't come across as an idoit to me.
While there's nothing wrong with asking, in principle, please bear in mind that to many people, this question is just another way of saying: are you a ciminal? Of course people who are not criminals could be forgiven for taking offence at this question, and people who are criminals are not likely to provide a useful answer.
I think Walklightly is correct in saying that we should "assume" aliens on the forum are legal - with the caveat that you don't have to assume this privately, but for the purpose of discussion on the forum I think it's the polite thing to do.
(For the sake of full disclosure, I am an alien myself. Legal of course
)Anyway, more to the topic at hand: OP, have you read thishttp://www.handgunlaw.us/states/georgia.pdf
The first part of that document contains the text of the state law regarding licenses - you might find it useful.
From your earlier post, I'm guessing that you have nonimmigrant status? In that case, did you provide all the necessary extra stuff? (It would be the same documentation you would have needed to buy the gun in the first place).
From the above link, it says that the investigation has to be completed within 30 days, and the judge has to issue the license no more than 10 days after that. It sounds to be like this is part of the investigation. If there is something you didn't provide on the form - admission number from your I94, proof of an exemption to USC 922
etc. then this might be your chance to provide it.
Overall the law sounds very friendly to aliens compared to some states - kudos to the state of GA for writing their concealed carry law to explicitly recognize the existence (and rights) of legal nonimmigrants! There are no votes to be won by doing that. That bumps GA up on my list of places to move if I ever escape my indentured position.
The first part of that document contains the text of the state law regarding licenses - you might find it useful.
From your earlier post, I'm guessing that you have nonimmigrant status? In that case, did you provide all the necessary extra stuff? (It would be the same documentation you would have needed to buy the gun in the first place).
From the above link, it says that the investigation has to be completed within 30 days, and the judge has to issue the license no more than 10 days after that. It sounds to be like this is part of the investigation. If there is something you didn't provide on the form - admission number from your I94, proof of an exemption to USC 922
etc. then this might be your chance to provide it. Overall the law sounds very friendly to aliens compared to some states - kudos to the state of GA for writing their concealed carry law to explicitly recognize the existence (and rights) of legal nonimmigrants! There are no votes to be won by doing that. That bumps GA up on my list of places to move if I ever escape my indentured position.
It's simple really. It's either a question of legal/illegal or right/wrong. The two are not the same and all questions fall into one or the other category, not both.
If it is legal/illegal, there IS an answer. I don't pretend to know what it is, but I know there is one. Either it is legal in GA for non-citizens to carry weapons or it is not.
If is is right/wrong there is no answer, unless the revolution has started, and then we'll have to wait until the revolution has a clear winner for an answer.
Since the OP is following the legal framework for citizenship and trying to follow the legal framework for weapons carry I think we can assume his questions is a legal/illegal question.
Which is a good thing because it's pointless to argue right/wrong unless you are willing to fight the power for it, right now.
If it is legal/illegal, there IS an answer. I don't pretend to know what it is, but I know there is one. Either it is legal in GA for non-citizens to carry weapons or it is not.
If is is right/wrong there is no answer, unless the revolution has started, and then we'll have to wait until the revolution has a clear winner for an answer.
Since the OP is following the legal framework for citizenship and trying to follow the legal framework for weapons carry I think we can assume his questions is a legal/illegal question.
Which is a good thing because it's pointless to argue right/wrong unless you are willing to fight the power for it, right now.
14th Amendment ?
Tom Servo,
On what basis are you applying the 14th Amendment?
It appears in your post of #25 in this thread that you are applying the 14th Amendment. The 14th was passed and ratified after the Civil War. There were people saying the freed slaves were not citizens and had no rights. At that time, America had open borders and did not have an immigration policy. The 14th Amendment was passed to make it clear the freed slaves were citizens of America, and their rights were not to be infringed.
We need to take things into context. If we don't, you can throw firearm ownership out the window. The 2nd Amendment taken into context makes it clear what the authors of the 2nd Amendment were stating.
Tom Servo,
On what basis are you applying the 14th Amendment?
It appears in your post of #25 in this thread that you are applying the 14th Amendment. The 14th was passed and ratified after the Civil War. There were people saying the freed slaves were not citizens and had no rights. At that time, America had open borders and did not have an immigration policy. The 14th Amendment was passed to make it clear the freed slaves were citizens of America, and their rights were not to be infringed.
We need to take things into context. If we don't, you can throw firearm ownership out the window. The 2nd Amendment taken into context makes it clear what the authors of the 2nd Amendment were stating.
youngunz4life
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good luck+hang in there
sometimes life is about following the process. jump thru the hoops and you'll get there. I think it is all linked in some small form or another even if not in black and white.
your the least of their problems. Some people can't even show up to court after an arrest. This is called 'not following the process'.
sometimes life is about following the process. jump thru the hoops and you'll get there. I think it is all linked in some small form or another even if not in black and white.
your the least of their problems. Some people can't even show up to court after an arrest. This is called 'not following the process'.
Trevor, to according GeorgiaCarry.Org a non-citizen is required to pass additional checks for a license to be issued. I would be surprised if your request to appear is anything but routine.
I completely agree with Tom Servo in regard to the 14th. A legal non-citizen is afforded the same protections under the law as anyone else:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Good luck with the process, and keep those tax dollars coming-we need the money.
I completely agree with Tom Servo in regard to the 14th. A legal non-citizen is afforded the same protections under the law as anyone else:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Good luck with the process, and keep those tax dollars coming-we need the money.
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2damnold4this
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I don't want to put words in Tom's mouth but this is part of the 14th Amendment:
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This has been interpreted by the courts to mean that non citizens legal residents are afforded the same legal protections as the rest of us.
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This has been interpreted by the courts to mean that non citizens legal residents are afforded the same legal protections as the rest of us.
For those that do not know, yes, a legal immagrant can obtain a license to carry in most state. I am a US citizen now, but when I was a green card, it was not a problem.
Most states license to carry require legal residency, not legal citizenship. I do know that in some states it is a completely different procedure, and in some states you must show proof of citizenship, but most this is not a problem.
Trevor, good luck with the Judge. I hope all goes well for you. Look up the Georgia laws on concealed permits, and see if it does not require residency, not citizenship. If I remember correctly, it is only residency and you are here legally. (however: I was already a green card, and was also in the US Army at the time I was in GA.)
Most states license to carry require legal residency, not legal citizenship. I do know that in some states it is a completely different procedure, and in some states you must show proof of citizenship, but most this is not a problem.
Trevor, good luck with the Judge. I hope all goes well for you. Look up the Georgia laws on concealed permits, and see if it does not require residency, not citizenship. If I remember correctly, it is only residency and you are here legally. (however: I was already a green card, and was also in the US Army at the time I was in GA.)
trevor002, thank you for your contribution to this country. I for one am sorry that some of our citizens, and even some of the contributors to this forum, cannot see past their own bigotry to see a human being with the same desire for freedom and security that they feel. You are obviously diligent about following the law and have done everything legally and above board, and you should be commended. Best of luck on your application, and most importantly, best wishes for a bright and productive future in your new and beloved home.
solvability
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Welcome to America. Please do one important thing after becoming a citizen - return your passport to your native country's consulate and inform them you are now and ever more a citizen of the USA.
I have numerous friends with dual citizenship - they have weak reasons for keeping the old one - you can be respectful of your birth country but must be solely loyal to the one that adopts you.
Best of luck in all regards.
I have numerous friends with dual citizenship - they have weak reasons for keeping the old one - you can be respectful of your birth country but must be solely loyal to the one that adopts you.
Best of luck in all regards.
Thanks. I was a bit terse in my explanation earlier. I was a bit flummoxed by the idea that non-citizens should be barred the right to self-defense.
In Georgia, the license can be (and is) granted to resident aliens. I know several. The probate judge has some discretion to interview an applicant for clarification of their eligibility. This happens to some people with minor crimes in their past as well.
As long as you meet the requirements stated on the application (and it sounds like you do), I wouldn't worry. If the judge was going to deny you the license, he wouldn't bother with the interview.
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I am not and did not imply the OP does not have to own firearms or the right to concealed carry if the jurisdiction of the state rules that is the case. What I am saying is we have to take any statements and writings into context. When you take into account why the 14th Amendment was written, passed and ratified, it does not apply to this situation. As far as court rulings, there are many court rulings that are not the intent of the law or Constitution. Judicial activism is constantly trying to change the meaning of the Constitution. The anti-gun groups claim the 2nd Amendment is only for a government military and ordinary citizens should not be allowed to own or possess firearms. When you take into context what was happening at that time and why the 2nd Amendment was adopted, the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment is very clear.