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Related question to scope use: are red dots and similar target acquisition devices such as Eotech, Aimpoint, etc. allowed?
 
That's good to know. I've been debating which rifle to bring - Ruger 10/22 with tech sights, GSG 5 with diopter sights, CZ 452 with scope (may be hampered by limited mag capacity and bolt action) or SIG 552 with Eotech (such a fun and accurate rifle to shoot).
 
With a good smooth action, (and the CZ 452 is about the best in that class) you are not hampered with a bolt action rifle in rapid fire.

There is no reason one can't get off 10 well aimed rounds w/a mag change (5 & 5) in 50 seconds.

Some teach bolt manipulation in a series of steps, that is improper. It should be one smooth step, and the rifle should never have to be removed from the shoulder during a string of fire with a bolt gun.

Best way to explain the working of the bolt is to think of the game kids play. Where you stick your hands out flat, and try to slap the other guys hands before they move.

Working the bolt is the same movement used by the guy doing the slapping.

Bring your hand up (opening and drawing the bolt to the rear) roll and slapping, which pushes the bolt forward.

All this in ONE SMOOTH MOTION.

Regardless what you shoot in Appleseed or any other competition, if you own a bolt gun try this, do it slow at fist working your way to speed.

If you find your head coming off the stock and eyes off the target, slow down, work yourself up again.

There is no law saying the bolt action rifle has to be slow, the only problem with bolt guns in rapid fire is we don't practice.
 
Red dots/ scopes/ optics are absolutely allowed.

Of the rifles you've listed, 10/22 w/ tech sights is a VERY popular rifle at Appleseeds and many people have had success with that setup. I'd recommend at least bringing that rifle, though any that you listed would work well. (I will say that some folks have had success with bolt guns while others have struggled with them)

Two magazines are required for Quick and Dirty AQT (one stage at a time), four for Rapid Fire AQT (all stages fired consecutively with no break in 4 minutes). If you have four mags, bring them... if you don't, I wouldn't sweat it. I can't speak for all shoot bosses, but the shoots I've worked don't focus very heavily on RF AQT. That's just my observation - your mileage may vary.
 
Red dot sights are OK at Appleseeds...you want a REAL SMALL dot though...like a 1MOA...you're shooting at at a 4MOA target at 25m...you need to be able to see the target (the 400yd target, anyway).

If you're using elbow/knee pads, I suggest the elastic "volleyball" type...i.e. NOT plastic, they tend to move around too much.

"Dry-firing" IS an excellent way to work on Natural Point of Aim and other skills...I have some 10ft targets I'd be glad to email you...just PM me your regular email address.

I'd agree with kraigwy on bolt rifles. I've seen shooters qualify with them before; but it takes a lot of practice. One of the biggest obstacles is learning NOT to break position when working the bolt. The next obstacle is learning to reload quickly. I'm trying to qualify with a Mosin-Nagant M44...which reloads with stripper clips, and it's turning out to be quite a project. I've cut the crap out of my thumb, until I looked around and learned the right way to use the stripper clip (index finger under the bullet on the top cartridge, press down on the rear of the top cartridge until all five cartridges feed into the internal magazine).

Ben
 
I think the political-ness or apolitical-ness of Appleseed is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of people who think that any populace not 100% dependent on the government for protection are, by definition, dangerous right-wing lunatics.
 
For the bolt I try to do one smooth motion, but it can be tricky shooting left handed (can't really see out of my right eye...).

Had a CZ 452 right handed but sold it and now have the 10/22.

Trigger is not as nice or is it very pretty but I can mount a scope lower and it does not matter if I shoot lefty.

I will not be able to use it till the event (at school and no transportation).

But I got some swivels today that I am going to install and now I have 4 mags. Should be good to go.
 
what my eye beheld today

"I think the political-ness or apolitical-ness of Appleseed is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of people who think that any populace not 100% dependent on the government for protection are, by definition, dangerous right-wing lunatics. "

I was at a gun show today and overheard a guy talking about the Impending Collapse and he was sounding...aroused. People come to firearms for different reasons. I wasn't real comfortable with what I understood of his.

My reasons are that some guns are absolutely awesome artifacts and I want them. If the Mona Lisa could belch fire and blow stuff up, you'd have the CZ-75b. Maybe my mid-life crises would have taken a different road if I'd attained more wealth and could collect sports cars.

I was probably the only person there going to vote for Obama again, but there were some real nerds there - my kind of people. That one guy was kind of a flyer. I saw a few dad's buying a first firearm for their sons. My kind of people.

Note: I may not be their kind of people :)
 
"...And find a ride..." Contact the course directors. They'll very likely do whatever they can.
"...right-wing militia movement..." Rubbish.
The 'history' is nonsense, but the whole idea is great. Nothing like it up here.
That guy with the M1A is going to get hurt. Needs a longer stock.
 
I've participatedd it two Appleseed events. Marksmanship is their primary lesson and it is taught well.
History is their secondary lesson and it too is taught well.
My experience is that they are totally apolitical and very intentionally so.
When participants started to talk their millitia and far right stuff, the staff told them that it was "inappropriate" for the Appleseed event. History is not political it is just facts about our past. They present these facts in an interesting and illuminating manner.
I earned a Riflemans patch in both events, one with a 10-22, (248) & one with a .308, (245) scopes on both (needed for my 67 YO eyes)

Roger
 
One thing if you buy extra magazines for the 10/22: Get regular length 10 rounders. I fell for the "need fast magazine change" and grabbed a couple of long 25 rounders - true, they are easier to change, but they get in the way of your natural positioning during prone shooting. Bad thing finding that our during your timed shoot. And at least our local group allows time for reloading between the stages, so you're fine with 2 magazines.
 
Lots of great advice here.

What about 10 round polymer magazines for the CZ 452? Anybody have opinions on those for use in Appleseed?
 
"I was probably the only person there going to vote for Obama again".

You would not be welcome at any of the rifle matches I have ever been to.

You might not want to make it known there either.

Sorry but that is just the way it is.
 
Hate to take this back towards politics, but...
But she's a mainstream politician in a party that has about an equal share of the electorate. I don't think her nomination or election is cause to reach for firearms.
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I can think of several quite infamous past dictators who could have been similarly described before gaining the top position in their respective countries. Having a big political party behind you can not possibly be a good measure of a candidates threat level.

The Appleseed is great. I recommend you take water or water bottles if they provide a cooler. The one I went to had an absolutely absurd amount of extra equipment floating around. Sight in your rifle absolutely before you go. That was the biggest mistake I made. Spent most of the first morning playing with the tech sites and adjusting everything.
 
Appleseed started out as a program to teach real rifleman skills to the public so we once again have a civilian army of Patriots that someone like Obama would fear.

It also intended to teach shooting skills to folks with rifles capable of shooting long distance.

I see that today it has become a PC competition for .22 rifles.

So now that they are shooting rimfires and not teaching people the real reasons we have the 2nd amendment I don't see the point of sending anyone there.

You are much better off shooting NRA smallbore if you like .22s or shooting NRA or CMP matches if you want to learn to shoot the distance.
 
On second thought I do see a point here. Appleseed does teach you some rifleman skills and it lets you know that you don't have to have a bench and sandbags to shoot a rifle.

But as I said before there are better ways to learn.
 
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