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I signed up for an Apple Seed!!!

It is going on next month. Only 25 seats total :eek:

Got the 10/22 already with a Nikon 4x scope I need to get mounted right at some point.

Still have to get about 4 more mags (know anywhere cheap?).
Sling swivels installed.
Dig a mat out from somewhere.
And find a ride :o

But still should be a good time!
 
You can easily get by with 3 mags. You will often times use two mags while shooting a 10 round session. This gives you a spare mag to use, just in case you have an issue with one of the other mags while shooting on the clock. I suppose having yet another backup is OK too, but from personal experience, 10/22 mags don't really seem to go bad very often.

A 24"~30" wide entry way runner from Walmart works great for a very low cost shooting mat. Spend the money you save on a cheap pair of elbow pads. ;)

Can't help you with the ride....you'll have to work that out on your own.
 
I don't know about 30 to 40 feet....I've been to several Appleseeds and all were held at 25 yds. If you have good eyes, 25 yds is no problem....if your eyes are getting old, an optic does help. (I quite kidding myself about iron sights years ago....except on my handguns.)
 
I'm interested, but a little leery

I'm interested in going, bringing a humble attitude (which will be a good exercise in itself...), learning how to handle my new best friend. But there's some stuff about the group I don't quite get, and has me a little concerned.

I checked out the Appleseed website and saw that the founder thinks America needs to wake up and become proficient with firearms. One of the data points was that Hillary Clinton was a prominent politician.

Now, I get that most folks on this site will lean conservative and would prefer not to see her elected president. She'd be pretty far down my list as well. (Way ahead of McCaine, but well after my whacky neighbor.) But she's a mainstream politician in a party that has about an equal share of the electorate. I don't think her nomination or election is cause to reach for firearms.

The website doesn't say much about the ultimate purpose of it all, apart from developing marksmanship and waking up. I'm just not connecting the dots between attaining proficiency with a rifle and linking it with politics in America. Is it just to get people energized about the stronger interpretation of the 2nd Amendment? That would be perfectly in line with democracy and American values. Thinking about our nation's history is cool, I'm down with that. I'd just like to know what it is I'm supposed to wake up from and what steps the organization thinks is appropriate once I get up.

I guess in a nutshell what I'm asking you folks who've gone to an Appleseed shoot: is it a recruiting drive for an anti-(small-D)democratic right-wing militia movement? Democracy means sometimes your preferred candidates and policies get beat. Like Churchill said, it's the worst possible form of government, excepting all the others.
 
Standard distance is 25m. While a scope isn't really needed for 25m shooting (we've definitely seen shooters shoot very well with iron sights), the ability to make good, scientific sight adjustments is a solid plus and a good reason to mount the scope.

Jimmy - emphatically NO. We make a strong effort to keep our message apolitical. We absolutely do NOT advocate subversive actions our groups. We've had to struggle against some folks who want to brand the org that way, and some folks who come in seeking that. That is NOT what Appleseed or the RWVA are about.

The mission of Appleseed is re-awaken Americans who otherwise would not exercise their freedoms (most notably in this case would the 2nd Amendment, but the others are just as important). The historical focus and marksmanship comes to emphasize the fact that there were thousands who gave all for this in the American Revolution - something we DON'T have to do today.

Signed,
Rattlehead
RWVA Instructor
 
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Speaking as someone who has attended an Appleseed, but who is not formally affiliated with them, that's an easy conclusion to jump to. However, if you listen carefully, they do not specifically issue a call to arms. Rather, I think they are trying to foster an interest in firearms, and then use that interest to foster an increase in political awareness and activism. If enough voters are known to possess guns, then the politicians won't even try to ban them, because they'll know it's a lost cause. Obama himself is proof of that; he's generally avoided the subject because he knows his own party won't support it.
 
Ignoring the politics...


I am only using the scope because the irons are not very adjustable...
I would prefer to use irons but I dont think they would be good enough.
 
is it a recruiting drive for an anti-(small-D)democratic right-wing militia movement? Democracy means sometimes your preferred candidates and policies get beat. Like Churchill said, it's the worst possible form of government, excepting all the others
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I don't shoot Appleseed, not because I disagree with it, but because I took a different route in my shooting career (Never heard of Appleseed when I started).

But let me make this clear. SHOOTING, AND THE NEED OF THE CITIZEN TO LEARN MARKSMANSHIP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.

The great body of our citizens shoot less as time goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among school boys and indeed among all classes as well as the military service by every means in our power, thus and not otherwise may be able to assist in the preserving peace in the world. The first step in that direction is preparation to avert war if possible..to be fit for war if it should come.
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That quote is from Teddy Roosevelt's last speech to congress IN 1903, causing the The Congress to enact laws establishing the National Matches and the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, which we know as the Division of Civilian Marksmanship (prior to 1996) and Now the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Under the DCM and its child the CMP, Congress authorized the sale of surplus military arms to the citizens of the United States, and training of those Citizens.

It has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with the preserving our Republic and Constitution.

As to Appleseed, as I said, I don't shoot it, but I've read their information. They do throw in a bit of history, mainly to show the need for marksmanship training.....Not Politics.

I am a CMP GSM Master Instructor, having gone the CMP route instead of Appleseed. I too, throw in a bit of history when I put on GSM Clinics.

Sure politics are going to come up, same with religion, but that's not the intent of Appleseed or the CMP. When that crap comes up it distracts from the intent of Appleseed and the CMP. That's why politics and religion is forbidden on most gun sites as it should be. It distracts from the purpose.
 
Thanks folks, signing up for Appleseed today

I'm glad to hear the good word. There's a shoot a couple of hours drive from here in a couple of weeks. Hope there's room...
 
Well, I WAS going to jump in here and expound on how great Appleseed is, but others have already done that.

kraigwy: I appreciate the kind words...CMP and Appleseed are indeed pulling in the same direction. I'd still like to get you out to one of our shoots, though....

jimmythegeek: Scope is fine....enjoy your shoot!

Ben
 
Well, I'll be in Castle Rock, WA Sept. 24-25

Next weekend was full. I'm looking forward to it! This way I have a month to get my backup squared away. I know people have passed with bolt action rifles, so I'm taking a CZ455 along with my Marlin 795. I will get a spare, 10 rnd mag for the CZ455.

Down the road I may bring a centerfire to a Sunday shoot.
 
Don't know if you've seen the suggested list of stuff to bring, it's here: http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_prepare.html You'll need at least 2 10-round mags, 3-4 is better...in case one of them malfs.

I STRONGLY suggest a 1-1/4" GI-type web sling ($12.50 at the Appleseed Store: http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart.com/ ) Cheapest I've found them was $7.95 at Cheaper than Dirt. We use an easily adjustable (hence GI web sling) sling for all three positions.

Any questions...post here or PM me.

Ben
 
I am putting in swivels this weekend and am going to buy a sling there (I spoke with the guy running it last week and he said they would be for sale).

Might buy a few extras aswell.
 
Our shooting club has Appleseed's all the time. I'm going to give it a try in September I believe. Questions:
1. Do most people shoot a .22 for Appleseed?
2. Do most shoot an auto or bolt action?

Just joined the club and looking forward to the shoots.
 
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On the firing line, I've shot with AKs, ARs, M1 Garands, .22 semi and bolt actions, and just about anything else that will send one projectile, at a time, down range. :D

.22LR is in expensive and helps keep the cost of the weekend in check. The basics of marksmanship are the same, regardless of caliber.

At the shoots I've attended, semi-autos were more popular, but certainly not a requirement. Ruger 10/22 and Marlins, in this part of the country, probably are in the majority of the rimfires in attendance.

Here is an after action report of one of the shoots I attended a couple of years ago.

http://www.stu-offroad.com/firearms/appleseed/appleseed-1.htm
 
One thing I forgot to mention is the new "RIfleman's Opportunity Card"....something we've been waiting on for a LONG time.

The way it works: You pre-register for an Appleseed shoot ($70 online), AND buy an RWVA membership card when you show up at the shoot. The Shoot Boss will apply the "ROC" sticker to the back of the card, and you shoot additional events FREE, until one of two things happen: 1. You shoot a Rifleman's (Expert) score on the AQT 2. Your annual RWVA membership runs out.

This is a GREAT deal, would've saved me $120. when I was trying to qualify! The average is 3 shoots to qualify....some do it the first time, others take 4-5 times.

Ben
 
All the big boy calibers are usually grouped off to the far right of the line... :cool:

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You will need 4 mags if they want to run you through some quick and dirty AQTs; you will need 40 rounds prepped unless you have someone reloading mags for you while you fire.

Elbow pads or a padded shooters jacket are worth their weight.

IMO, the best way to prep for an Appleseed (other than shooting) is to stretch and practice your shooting positions around the house. Take a prone position around the house as often as you can; stay in it as long as you can. You will stretch and strengthen the necessary muscle groups. Sitting as well; get the back of your elbows on the flat fronts of your knees. In the picture above, the M1A shooter in front is not far enough forward. The fourth guy in with the green sweatshirt looks much better.

The stronger and more limber you get, the easier it will be to get steady while shooting. Many shooters I work with on the Appleseed trail shoot better the morning of day one than the end of day two purely because they are tired or sore.

Show up strong and limber and you will get your patch.
Best of luck to you.
 
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