Anything Good About The Gwb Administration????

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BIGJACK

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No WMD, UBL still running free, gasoline prices up by a factor of 3, US citizens hungry and un-housed, national economy in shreds, world respect gone, enditements almost weekly, appointments with little or no regards for qualifications, individual freedoms swept under the rug under the guise of home land security, gun registration(if you are nieve enough to think no, go buy one), over 2000 americans and untold numbers of others killed, VA bennifits cut, VA hospitals closed, unprecidented profitts by gwbs oil company budies, all this after 5 years of GWB and some blame it on Clinton.
IS THERE ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THE GWB ADMINSTRATION??????::confused:
 
Pessimism is a very destructive and sometimes contagious disease. Much of what Bush (and Clinton) are blamed for are beyond their control. Just as things in our own lives are beyond our own control.

Still I'd rather call the shots in my little corner of the world than turn it over to some government bureaucrat.

I have no use for Modern Liberalism.
 
Here's a quote from Bartholomew Roberts in a different thread:

Why The Republicans Have Earned My Vote On Gun Rights
PRO:

1. UN Small Arms Restrictions blocked by US

2. Attorney General declares Second Amendment is individual right - reverses 35 years of previous Justice Department doctrine on the matter.

3. Attorney General refuses to allow legitimate purchase of NICS data to be used for fishing expedition - Ashcroft stops grabbers from sifting through NICS data of legitimate purchasers to look for "terrorists".

4. Ashcroft changes NICS data holding from 90 days to 1 day - NICS data on legitimate purchases will now be purged from the system in a single day as the law intended rather than being held onto for 90 days per Clinton policy

5. Bush supports and will sign lawsuit preemption bill

6. Bush ends taxpayer funding of useless HUD gun buybacks

7. Signs bill arming airline pilots. Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed

8. Signed the appropriations bill containing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects gunowner privacy by making item #4 the law of the land.

9. Gets chance to have several things he claims to support (lawsuit preemption, gunshow background checks, semi-auto ban) on a single bill. Sends letter to Congress asking them to consider only lawsuit preemption.

10. Partially repeals Clinton ban on import of some semi-auto firearm parts instituted in Summer of 2000 to allow import of parts for repair purposes. Doesn't repeal any Executive Orders relating to guns instituted by previous Presidents.

And here is the big one:

The Republican party has now gone to bat for us, not once, but THREE times (March, July, and September) to stop any renewal of the ban. This is a ban that polls show having the support of greater than 60% of the public. Admittedly, the public wouldn't support it if they were better informed but that is beside the point... the Republicans bucked the majority to support us.

Anybody catch the horrendous grilling the Republicans took last night? See the horrendous lies being told about the ban and the blame being piled on the Republicans? It would be hard to miss since it was on the nightly news for ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN as well as special coverage on Nightline and World News Tonight. That doesn't even count pro-ban editorials in the NYT, USA Today, Washington Post, Atlanta Journal Constitution, Chicago Sun-Herald and San Fransisco Gate as well as dozens of smaller papers.

Not only did the Republicans do this for us, they did it DURING AN ELECTION YEAR when every single House seat, 1/3 of Senate seats and the White House are up for grabs.

Forget for a moment that most of the pro-RKBA candidates running for office are Republican. Forget that two Republican Senate candidates have declared support for repealing the 1934 NFA during their campaigns. Forget that if a Republican candidate replaces all the GOA F rated Senators retiring this year, we will get 5 Senators who are rated B or better by the GOA.

The Republicans could have saved themselves a major beating in the press by simply selling us down the river. They didn't. They stood by us even when the polls showed it wasn't the popular thing to do and that does not happen too damn often in politics. The Republicans have earned my vote on gun rights
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On top of this you can add allowing the AWB to sunset, passing the gun industry protection bill, installing Bolton as our UN representative to slap down the UN on their attempted global gun grabs, and (hopefully) the right Chief Justice with John Roberts.
 
silver bullet: wasnt a certain high ranking repub. going to sign a certain bill if it came to his desk?
 
Propaganda or pure BS? Pardon me while I :barf:

People are "unhappy with Bush" for numerous reasons they parrot from the papers and tv news, but ask them about their own personal situations and more of them report things are going well. For me the last five years has brought a lot of economic freedom I had feared would never happen.

Recalling the Clinton era I'm still shocked. I'm upset about the burning churches and exploding public buildings but more so about the economic conditions. People used to parrot the stories about how good things were while most of the taxpayers I knew then were losing their shirts. Rich old guys were making a killing in the stock market but in the mid 90's you didn't see very many families with kids who could afford to go out to eat or to the movies. For the entire Clinton era I got really tired of wanting to save enough to get out of the city while I sat and watched how much further behind I got.

Big Jack, if you're really from Pell City, you might want to wonder what happened to the cost of living, the overcrowding and the bumper to bumper traffic there over the decade of the 90's. (Unless of course you a retired USWA union boss who got rich back in the Carter era when they were selling out the working men?)
 
meek: dude your post is so funny.

who mentioned clinton?

wow where is the footage of clinton bombing buildings and churches?

people parroting the news? wow barely any families in the mid 90;s could afford to go to the movies or dinner? OMG that is so funny.
 
Recalling the Clinton era I'm still shocked. I'm upset about the burning churches and exploding public buildings but more so about the economic conditions. People used to parrot the stories about how good things were while most of the taxpayers I knew then were losing their shirts. Rich old guys were making a killing in the stock market but in the mid 90's you didn't see very many families with kids who could afford to go out to eat or to the movies.
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The first part of this is like blaming Bush for Enron. As for the latter, our local newpaper used to have a half dozen pages of jobs, now it is one, or two. And my family can't afford to go to the movies or out to eat. These aren't things picked up from the media, they are realities.

I also feel like those that think Dick Cheney isn't receiving some sort of "kickback" (for lack of a better term) from Haliburton are the same ones who believe that his senior advisor was alone in the disscussion of a CIA agent. I don't buy it. Just to be fair, I don't buy a lot of what happened under Clinton either.
 
Personally I think we need to wipe the slate clean and start over again. Politicians are suppose to serve the people and represent the majority and not just say what the few intrest groups whos can net them the most votes. Now, their goal isnt to do whats best but what can keep them in office longer.
 
Massan, how exactly do you propose to "wipe the slate clean"? That could be taken in a number of different ways, not all of which you may intend. :confused:
 
Do not re-elect anyone. Boot them all out. This will send a message to those leaving, and those comming in. Congress has a retirement fund, no one was meant to retire from Congress. Senators, and Congressman get their pay for the rest of their lives after they leave office. What's wrong with this picture?
 
"America is freer today than it has been in any time in the history of human freedom." -- Attorney General John Ashcroft, September 25, 2003

Patriot Act, anyone?

McCain-Feingold?

Patriot Act part II?

Lobbying to let the president send military troops to restore order inside American borders?

Of course, we all know it would be worse if Kerry or Gore had won the elections. They would have pushed for similar programs or worse.

But at least then all the conservatives who are now busy cheering on the Bush admin's many power grabs would instead be fighting against such dangerous stupidity.

pax

Ninety-eight percent of the adults in this country are decent,hard-working, honest Americans. It's the other lousy two percent that get all the publicity. But then we elected them. -- Lily Tomlin
 
"Trow da bums out!" A nice idea, but for all purposes, practically impossible, at least by peacable means. History bears this out.

The strength of this country, the fact that it hasn't experienced a truly violent transition of administration with exception of the Lincoln presidency of 1860, is the willingness of both sides to participate peacefully in the activity of governance, to work with what they have, so to speak. Self-serving politicians always will exist, as will selfless ones. The point is to foster and nourish a system whereby the selfless ones outnumber and outmaneuver the self-serving ones in the interest of the public good.

People will disagree on political, moral, cultural, religious, etc. issues for a long time to come, probably forever. Replacing in its entirety the current slate of political office holders, liberal and conservative alike, does relatively little to alleviate or transcend those tensions. Replace them all, but with who? Liberals and conservatives, and people in the middle, and people on the edges of political thought and American culture all will continue to disagree vociferously on this.

To preserve the strength of this country, people on both sides need to rediscover how to work with what they have, to work together for improvement rather than to rue their current representatives and wish for the good old days, which BTW never existed, at least not in the form that most people believe them to have existed.

I've offered my olive branch ... anybody else?

I don't think that anybody here really wants to start advocating non-peacable means to "wipe the slate clean", do they? :eek: If so, I'm outta here ...
 
Why The Republicans Have Earned My Vote On Gun Rights
PRO:

1. UN Small Arms Restrictions blocked by US

2. Attorney General declares Second Amendment is individual right - reverses 35 years of previous Justice Department doctrine on the matter.

3. Attorney General refuses to allow legitimate purchase of NICS data to be used for fishing expedition - Ashcroft stops grabbers from sifting through NICS data of legitimate purchasers to look for "terrorists".

4. Ashcroft changes NICS data holding from 90 days to 1 day - NICS data on legitimate purchases will now be purged from the system in a single day as the law intended rather than being held onto for 90 days per Clinton policy

5. Bush supports and will sign lawsuit preemption bill

6. Bush ends taxpayer funding of useless HUD gun buybacks

7. Signs bill arming airline pilots. Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed

8. Signed the appropriations bill containing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects gunowner privacy by making item #4 the law of the land.

9. Gets chance to have several things he claims to support (lawsuit preemption, gunshow background checks, semi-auto ban) on a single bill. Sends letter to Congress asking them to consider only lawsuit preemption.

10. Partially repeals Clinton ban on import of some semi-auto firearm parts instituted in Summer of 2000 to allow import of parts for repair purposes. Doesn't repeal any Executive Orders relating to guns instituted by previous Presidents.

And here is the big one:

The Republican party has now gone to bat for us, not once, but THREE times (March, July, and September) to stop any renewal of the ban. This is a ban that polls show having the support of greater than 60% of the public. Admittedly, the public wouldn't support it if they were better informed but that is beside the point... the Republicans bucked the majority to support us.

Anybody catch the horrendous grilling the Republicans took last night? See the horrendous lies being told about the ban and the blame being piled on the Republicans? It would be hard to miss since it was on the nightly news for ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN as well as special coverage on Nightline and World News Tonight. That doesn't even count pro-ban editorials in the NYT, USA Today, Washington Post, Atlanta Journal Constitution, Chicago Sun-Herald and San Fransisco Gate as well as dozens of smaller papers.

Not only did the Republicans do this for us, they did it DURING AN ELECTION YEAR when every single House seat, 1/3 of Senate seats and the White House are up for grabs.

Forget for a moment that most of the pro-RKBA candidates running for office are Republican. Forget that two Republican Senate candidates have declared support for repealing the 1934 NFA during their campaigns. Forget that if a Republican candidate replaces all the GOA F rated Senators retiring this year, we will get 5 Senators who are rated B or better by the GOA.

The Republicans could have saved themselves a major beating in the press by simply selling us down the river. They didn't. They stood by us even when the polls showed it wasn't the popular thing to do and that does not happen too damn often in politics. The Republicans have earned my vote on gun rights
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What he said.

I have no use for Modern Liberalism.
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And what he said.

Yeah, the economy was great under Clinton. That's because he spent eight years gutting the military and p*ssing away the military budget billions on his pet Demosocialist projects.
 
please show some proof on the china military thing, gutting the military and spending billions on demisocialist programs. by proof how about a reputable source please.
 
oh yeah is this post not about bush? I love in every thread in here someone brings bills name into whatever is going on. just keep thinking bush is doing a good job because fox news told you so.
 
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National economy in shreds?

What kind of fantasy BS blindside hatred mode is that? Despite all of the hammering that's been going on what with petroleum prices, product demand is still high, unemployment is still low, the housing market continues to show month-to-month sales gains, inflation remains low and under control, the dollar has been gaining against foreign currencies over the past several months, and real wages, while not gaining, are not falling, either.

Gas prices up by a factor of 3?

Wow, I didn't know that George Bush controlled either the weather OR India and China's demand for oil, which is quickly approaching our own.

If you want to bitch about the president/administration, that's fine, but I suggest you stick to whining about things that Bush actually controlls.

Here's a fact that I constantly try to beat into a group of morons on another board I'm on...

Oil is an internationally traded commodity. Every person who invests in the stock market, every government, and literally every individual on the face of the earth controls the price of oil. Not a single man.


It's pretty pathetic when people so hate one individual that they'll blame just about everything on him.

Hey, you forgot one! George Bush caused the bird flu in China!
 
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