I am an admirer of Glocks, though they are not my personal choice to purchase, but I do see some contradiction in the argument that the issue with more Glock NDs is that there are so many of them and so many of them are purchased by or supplied to non-gun people who lack the proper training to operate them safely. The contradiction is this: Glock owes its success and the fact there are so many of them out there to the fact that so many of them are in the hands of those who "lack the proper training". If Glocks were only used by and sold to those with a high level of training, Glock would not be the major player that it is. I am not slamming Glock; just stating the obvious. You can't have it both ways. A product that is sold to millions of semi-trained people has to take idiot-proofing at least somewhat seriously. My intent here is not to offer ammunition to anti-gun or anti-Glock arguments, but it is folly to build an expert's weapon, sell it to millions of non-experts, and then blame the non-expert purchaser when they don't handle it properly with enough expertise.
Anyone order the Glock "gadget"
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I see it as an unnecessary complication to the design. I have no use for that or the Schwartz.
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/inertial_discharge.htm
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This is an excellent statement of the purpose of the gadget. It is clear many feel there is a legitimate need for it, including the trained, experienced professionals who developed it. It also appears they have done their homework in bringing it to market.
It is certainly clear there are plenty of folks who feel it is a waste of time and money, and that it increases the chance of a failure in a critical spot. That is not surprising considering the number of other threads where any suggestion that a Glock is not perfectly safe is met with anger, criticsm, and contempt. This topic really stirs passion.
I don't understand why someone with a preference for something different always draws such fire. I like striker fired polymer pistols for carrying. Some view plastic guns as an abbomination. I like a short ~5# trigger with a thumb safety. As this thread shows, an external safety of any kind is unacceptable for many. Considering the wide variety of options available why get worked up over something that doesn't appeal to you?
This is an excellent statement of the purpose of the gadget. It is clear many feel there is a legitimate need for it, including the trained, experienced professionals who developed it. It also appears they have done their homework in bringing it to market.
It is certainly clear there are plenty of folks who feel it is a waste of time and money, and that it increases the chance of a failure in a critical spot. That is not surprising considering the number of other threads where any suggestion that a Glock is not perfectly safe is met with anger, criticsm, and contempt. This topic really stirs passion.
I don't understand why someone with a preference for something different always draws such fire. I like striker fired polymer pistols for carrying. Some view plastic guns as an abbomination. I like a short ~5# trigger with a thumb safety. As this thread shows, an external safety of any kind is unacceptable for many. Considering the wide variety of options available why get worked up over something that doesn't appeal to you?
agree with K_Mac, I don't understand why anyone would critique or condemn this idea as poor. If you don't think you need one then don't get one, but we should be encouraging others who might be interested in this idea to use it... who's to say what others need for their safety? All the Glock fanboys aren't criticizing others for buying the striker fired pistols out there with a thumb safety, why criticize this idea.
If an obstruction starts pushing the trigger back, your thumb will feel the plate begin to hinge outward. This should alert you that something is wrong so that you can stop, remove the gun, and clear the obstruction.
If there is something caught on the trigger and you continue to push the gun into the holster, it will fire unless the amount of force placed on the gadget is greater than the force used to push the gun down. I suppose if you managed to jam it in and then released your thumb from the gadget, it may very well fire at that point, but if you knew that something was pressing on the trigger, why would you do that?
The gadget is not like a thumb safety where you flip it and it stays on until you flip it off. Forward pressure on the plate with the thumb counteracts pressure on the trigger. Once you remove your thumb, the gun functions normally. In your example, if you remove your thumb while still pulling the trigger, it will fire.
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Cheapshooter
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For the same reason some people who drive with their left foot on the brake push both pedals to the floor in a panic. Usually resulting in a rear end collision, or a vehicle inside a store front, or house.
It doesn't actually do anything inless the person using it reacts.
I think this is a bit disingenuous. While Glock certainly has its share of "fanboys", you make it sound as if the negative comments thus far have been out of loyalty to a brand rather than any real concern. Some of the testing that has been done on this gadget goes specifically to address many of the concerns people have raised, suggesting that some of those comments aren't out of left field. For me it sounds like I'd have to do some further reading into how those tests were done. I have respect for a lot of people on this project, but I'm a skeptic by nature (as I'd argue are many gun owners). Disregarding those that have concerns as easily as this comment seems to suggest, and that may just be my interpretation of that comment, is to me as bad as completely dismisses the gadget without reading anything about it.
Anyone order the Glock "gadget"
Thanks for the description. Better understanding of it, now.
So, if five pounds of force is applied on the trigger (using it as an example), which should fire the gun, your thumb being able to hold five pounds down is sort of a trigger? Kind of like the squeeze cocker on a P7 (could hold the trigger down, and use the squeeze cocker as the trigger). Not saying it is acting as a trigger, but it seems like a similar interaction between parts.
That is interesting, but something I'd have to see before passing judgement (what does five pounds of resistance feel like on a thumb). Really comes down to how it feels against the finger. But from someone not knowing about it, sounds a little different than riding the hammer. A hammer has a little more travel time before being released than the distance of that backplate's movement.
Maybe if I see one, I'd come up with a different opinion. But for me, not interested. Only have one Glock, but been fine with it since I first started carrying one (a 19 at my first department; currently a 30S). I would be worried about a false sense of security over it just being different.
Thanks for the description. Better understanding of it, now.
So, if five pounds of force is applied on the trigger (using it as an example), which should fire the gun, your thumb being able to hold five pounds down is sort of a trigger? Kind of like the squeeze cocker on a P7 (could hold the trigger down, and use the squeeze cocker as the trigger). Not saying it is acting as a trigger, but it seems like a similar interaction between parts.
That is interesting, but something I'd have to see before passing judgement (what does five pounds of resistance feel like on a thumb). Really comes down to how it feels against the finger. But from someone not knowing about it, sounds a little different than riding the hammer. A hammer has a little more travel time before being released than the distance of that backplate's movement.
Maybe if I see one, I'd come up with a different opinion. But for me, not interested. Only have one Glock, but been fine with it since I first started carrying one (a 19 at my first department; currently a 30S). I would be worried about a false sense of security over it just being different.
ranger56528
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It has its place,I know when I went from a hammer fire to my Glock it was a bit unnerving holstering and unholstering because I wasn't use to not having the hammer and safety but now it's just a normal movement but for someone switching over or who just wants to be safer while getting used to it then why not it's their money. I can't say I would of bought into it but never know,I learn the old fashion way,practice practice practice till I was comfortable to carry it loaded and chambered,it's still cheaper then a hospital bill or a (GULP) funeral bill.
It was not my intention to dismiss any concerns regarding this device. It is likewise not my intent to criticize those who have questions and concerns. I too am a skeptic by nature. I apologise for coming off as dismissive.
With that said, even the suggestion that Glock may not be for everyone, or that it might be improved for some is met with such ridicule and vitriol that as this thread shows, the intervention of moderators is often required. I find that level of loyalty hard to understand.
Sometimes it is, but it hasn't here. What I see here isn't what I call "vitriol", but to each his own.
There are no shortage of fanboys in the world, of various brands. Glock's widespread popularity makes the preponderance of fanboys for that brand relatively understandable. For that matter some people get tired of having the same old arguments over and over again, albeit in slightly different ways, with regards to the safety or supposed lack thereof of Glocks. That tends to get people to be curt.
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How many in this thread carry AIWB?
HighValleyRanch
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I carry my glocks AIWB.
In fact, on my lean frame, that is the ONLY way that I can carry my Glock 20 without it printing!
The glock is the favorite of many experts, so I think that qualifies it as an expert's weapon!
In fact, on my lean frame, that is the ONLY way that I can carry my Glock 20 without it printing!
The glock is the favorite of many experts, so I think that qualifies it as an expert's weapon!
So how bout' that Smith ILS? 
Seriously though. It's an option for those who desire it. Those who feel it is mechanics over training don't have to have it. Those who want extra insurance at the cost of more complexity can have it.
There is no free lunch and nobody is wrong here.
The fact is the best trained people in the world make mistakes.
The fact is the best machines in the world fail.
Training or complexity. You pays your monies and you takes your chances. If there is a market for the gadget it will sell. No harm no foul to those who think it's an idiotic crutch and possibly a great addition to those who think it's a great additional safety.
From all I have read about it since it came to light years ago. It seems like a fairly ingenious well thought out device. Coming from a completely agnostic point of view.
As for AIWB carry you all carry on. I like my balls and my femeral artery seems to work best without any added holes. (I know I know training and holster selection but just like those who make decisions about an additional device or relying solely on training etc. I choose not to carry AIWB. doesn't make it wrong for other folks just for me.
Carry on now.
Seriously though. It's an option for those who desire it. Those who feel it is mechanics over training don't have to have it. Those who want extra insurance at the cost of more complexity can have it.
There is no free lunch and nobody is wrong here.
The fact is the best trained people in the world make mistakes.
The fact is the best machines in the world fail.
Training or complexity. You pays your monies and you takes your chances. If there is a market for the gadget it will sell. No harm no foul to those who think it's an idiotic crutch and possibly a great addition to those who think it's a great additional safety.
From all I have read about it since it came to light years ago. It seems like a fairly ingenious well thought out device. Coming from a completely agnostic point of view.
As for AIWB carry you all carry on. I like my balls and my femeral artery seems to work best without any added holes. (I know I know training and holster selection but just like those who make decisions about an additional device or relying solely on training etc. I choose not to carry AIWB. doesn't make it wrong for other folks just for me.
Carry on now.
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