Anyone here read "Unintended Consequences"?

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BrianIdaho was a character in Atlas Shrugged ? Refresh my memory please...[/quote]


No, but "I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"-is a well known line from it. I said signature, not user name :).

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Phew! This UC must be a heavy - I gotta go find one. But - considering the amount of time we all spend up here (TFL), please illuminate the way ... where do you find the time to read such tomes?

-Andy
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ironbarr:
Phew! This UC must be a heavy - I gotta go find one. But - considering the amount of time we all spend up here (TFL), please illuminate the way ... where do you find the time to read such tomes?

-Andy
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Andy:

The following is my take only. I do not waste time watching things like Monday Night Football, or otherwise being glued to a television, as a rule. Also, I never got involved in "being a parent". I can listen to music and read, or write at the same time, in most instances.

UC is very much worth while, even if buying it proves necessary. Try your local library though. If they don't have it in their collection, they can get it via interlibrary loan.
 
This thread was the boot I needed - just got thru ordering UC, To Ride... (Cooper), Cryptonomicon (per Jim March - if the feds hate it, it must be good) and Patriots: Surviving...
 
Just read UC and enjoyed the heck out of it, but I am nonetheless reluctant to recommend it. The reason: I'm afraid a lot of the history "isn't." Mr. Ross likes to punch up the drama of his vignettes, but in so doing breaks the promise in his preface that he "re-created historical events to the best of his ability."

The most blatant example of this is his account of the initial ATF raid at Waco. Ross has Koresh coming out the front door right at the start of the raid, which he did, with a 2-year-old on his shoulder. The 2-year-old is a fabrication. Ross then takes the melodrama to the extreme of having an ATF agent shoot the 2-year-old dead. I have seen the video of Koresh at the door. He comes out, starts to speak, then quickly retreats as shots ring out. As soon as he ducks back in, bullet holes appear in the door. All this is quite damming enough of the ATF. Their idea of warrant service was to attempt to assassinate Koresh. There was no need to invent a murdered 2-year-old at this point, but Ross did it.

A more minor misstatement was in a part where someone was recounting WWII history. It was stated that the Germans could have overrun France faster if they hadn't had huge forces engaged fighting the Russians. Actually, there was no war with Russia in May and June of 1940, when the battle of France took place. Hitler would not attack Russia until June of 1941. It's also hard to believe the Germans could have overrun France any faster than they actually did.

These are just the examples that stuck in my mind; other things did not ring true to me at the time I read the book, but I have no desire to pore through it looking for discrepancies. My feeling at this time, however, is that Ross is a storyteller with the habit, common to raconteurs, of enhancing the facts to juice up his stories. This is very problematic in the case of UC, since many attempt to treat it as a source for information on government misdeeds.

I think UC is best viewed as a fantasy of the gun culture. The more "gun culture" you are, the more you are likely to enjoy it. I'm really not all that "gunnish," I own guns but don't shoot a lot and don't hang around with gun people. I enjoyed the book but doubtless missed a lot of the insider references. For me, it punched a lot of the same buttons as a Tom Clancy novel. Clancy writes melodramas of honorable men of action forcibly destroying the schemes of evildoers; UC is the same.

The last section, detailing the "insurrection," can only be enjoyed as a fantasy requiring, in my case, a very conscious suspension of disbelief at many points. It raised no moral issues for me because I could not take it seriously as a realistic sceneario. It was just a shoot-em-up created to allow one to enjoy seeing the bad guys get blown away. I fully understand the attraction of imagining just wasting the aggravating and venal anti-gun types. This fantasy is a harmless indulgence unless one makes the mistake of taking it seriously.

Botton line--enjoy UC as a fantasy novel; don't rely on it as a social or political testament.
 
Great book, I also have an autographed copy from this spring's Knob Creek. John Ross was there and signed my copy.
As far as the sex parts, I think it went along with the corruption in Congress and politics in general. Kennedys, take your pick which one, Clinton, there is always some kind of sex scandal lurking just around the corner. I believe these sex episodes fit in with the spirit of the book, that is using the enemy's weaknesses against them.
 
Some of the sex was there to spice the book up, some of it was more integral to the plot. All in all, there didn't seem to be more, or more graphic sex than is typical of a modern novel, and a lot less than some. I think the main problem is that some people want to look on UC as "the literary anthem of the gun movement," and the sex clashes with that.
 
Quixote,

Those are the reasons why I link fence-sitters to various web resurces instead. UC is interesting in some ways but not suitable as a social work too, IMO. Doesn't stop me from re-readingmy copy on occasion.
 
This epic work was very inspirational and instructional. Henry Bowman was the inspiration for my website. Unfortunately, the final phase of the book is probably our only available response left to government tyranny.

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Have read UC three times and thoroughly enjoyed it. Was puzzled for quite a while regarding the lady with "thick glasses". Finally concluded that it must have been a veiled reference to Janet Reno? :confused:




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Yep. Reno. Placed in a trailer in retirement just to insult her.

Actually, I would weep if I heard she was shot. I long to see her hanged.
 
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