Anyone here read "Unintended Consequences"?

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Larz: And I'll add to that, that the cover really makes it difficult to donate to libraries... Good book, but if Ross had toned down the sex just a bit, it might have had a much wider market.

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I think a better question (for this place, anyway!) might be "Who HASNT read UC?"

Great book, and I agree with all the comments...I got mine throught Amazon, started reading it as soon as I got it, stayed up ENTIRELY too late that night and the next, but I finished it. I've read it 4 times since...and recommend it to anyone and everyone.


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I can agree that it's a bit rough around the edges with the four letter expletives and XXX rated stuff but aside from that the book is great! I've already lent it to a friend (minus the paper cover cause his wife would have a fit if she saw that).

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Excuse me, but I thought that the "x-rated" stuff was rather tame - More like PG-13 or at the most R... Gee, guys... Have any of y'all read any of the best sellers lately?
 
mnealtx,

That would be me. :) I have not had the pleasure of reading this book. I am, however, in the process of remedying that. Just ordered it via Amazon.com and expect to see it next week. I am looking forward to it. Thanks to AmericanFreeBird for brining this title to my attention.


Evan

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brett Bellmore:
I picked my copy up at a gun show, cash; I always buy contraversial titles that way, since I found out book companies keep lists of who buys what, which they supply to the government on demand. NEVER buy a Paladin Press title from Paladin Press. NEVER. Get it at the show, and pay with pictures of dead Presidents!
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This also applies to titles checked out from the library. Remember the movie "Seven"?

BTW: I highly recommend either of the books written by Vince Flynn. They are titled "Term Limits" and "Transfer of Power". Plan on not sleeping until you've finished reading them.

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I agree with everyone who loved the book and I recommend it to any adult, without hesitation. The first 600 or so pages are a great history lesson about how we got where we are with gun control, with a few fictional characters thrown in to keep the story moving. I had a hard time putting it down. The conflict which takes place in the last 200 pages starts in a whole believable way and remains highly entertaining.

Stop reading now if you haven’t finished the book because I’m going to talk about the ending, which I strongly disagree with. I don’t believe that the government would ever give in to the type of acts described in the book. Far more likely is a whole series of Waco style bloodbaths in which a lot of innocent people die while the government tries to find Bowman and his friends. By making it look so easy, I’m afraid that some of the lunatic fringe might by encouraged to actually try some of the things in the book. That will just make things worse for the rest of us law abiding gun owners.

We need to turn back the gun control laws, but the way to do that is join the NRA and talk as many other people into joining as you can, write a big check to the NRA-PVF every once in a while. And most of all, VOTE, and be a single issue voter. I’ve had both democrat and republican fund raisers call my home looking for donations this fall, and I told them both that my political contribution had already been sent to the NRA, and that if they wanted any of it, to call them. I hope that gave them a clear message.
 
Anybody in Eastern-Iowa have a copy of the book I could borrow? I doubt my library has it.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Great book. I've loaned my copy out a couple of times, and those folks have gone and bought their own to loan to friends...

Commentary about UC got me to buy and read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged," another classic I had previously missed and now strongly recommend.

I have to agree with LTC K; the Federal Government would never give in so easily.
 
I bought and read UC a little over a year ago. I can't recommend it highly enough to firearms enthusiasts or freedom minded people in general.

MEF - Interesting that you mentioned "Atlas Shrugged." That book has been on my 'gotta read' list for years. Today, I finally bought it.

Cliff
 
TFL Reading List:

Atlas Shrugged

Unintended Consequences

Starship Troopers

The Walking Drum

Virtual Light

Cauldron

The Third Wave

The Prince

The Art of War

Feel free to add.
 
Here are my (short list) recommendations.
1 The Patriots - Rawles
2 The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Heinlein
3 Farnham's Freehold - Heinlein
4 Vandenberg - ?
5 Alas Babylon - Frank
6-11 All the "Bob the Nailer" books - Stephen Hunter
12 1632 - Eric Flint
13 Wolf and Iron - Gordon Dickson


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true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.

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Farnham's Freehold was the best!

Speaking of Heinlein, has anyone heard from his friend, Bill Marcy? Bill goes by the handle "Hielo" on the boards, and I heard that he had a stroke.

He was Robert and Virginia Heinlein's neighbor for years and years, and a frequent visitor to AR15.com.

I wish him well.
 
I just finished Unintended consequenses last night. Yes, I did pull a few "all nighters" and would only put the book down when I caught myself waking up, still holding the book! It is a very good book. The sex stuff is a little out of place, but it adds something for those who becomer bored with all the gun talk (not me!). Anyway, I have already passed my copy on to another soul.
 
Very interesting, though perhaps overly long. Othrerwise, on this site in particular, I believe that a listing of people who HADN'T read the book might be shorter.

On obtaining a copy first one I read was through local public library, interlibrary loan arrangement, which is very helpful in obtaining books your local doesn't own. Subsequently ordered a copy from Borders, got it in about a week.

As for where to buy or not buy any particular book, due to "the government" finding out about it, it is quite likely that any number of us are already "known" to the government, as a result of letters written to elected things, or similar activity. The hell with them anyhow.

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LTC K: I strongly agree with your estimation that the fedgov would not roll over, but would rather pass secret "emergency decrees" leading to "preventive detention", raiding and burning known activists houses, "harsh" interrogation methods etc. After all, our CIA invented the Phoenix program. Not that I think they would win: the latent power lies in the hands holding millions of scoped rifles, fired one shot at a time at the "domestic enemies" trampling the constitution we swore an oath to defend.
 
Travis: That WAS my biggest problem with the plot; I tried to imagine Clinton or Gore, or just about any of the anti-gunners I know, in the place of the President in UC, and just couldn't picture them being so reasonable. Even a moderate or pro-gun President would be hard to swallow; People in politics are simply NOT that reasonble when it comes to private citizens using force against the government. It is absolutely the hottest of all conceivable hot buttons for them. They'd spend almost any conceivable amount of other people's blood and money before giving into something like that.

"Other" people's blood and money; That's the key, I think. If we ever are forced to revolt, don't think for a second of a guerrilla army; Think of an army of assassins. The deaths of soldiers are just book-keeping entries to politicians, but their own lives and fortunes they value rather highly. (Sacred honor is something most of them never had to begin with.)



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A couple of thoughts or comments on UC, by John Ross.

Some correspondents have voiced "concern" over what they described as the "x rated" nature of parts of the book. While I may be jaded, personally I believe that they are making a mountain out of a couple of grains of sand. Otherwise put, if one wanted to talk about "x rated" writing, read Canterbury Tales, by Chaucer, originally written in Middle English, though modern English translations are available, and they are a RIOT. It is also a classic, and while not written for "the children", neither was UC. Actually, the tempest in a teapot, if I may so describe it, over the "x rated" portitions of the book remind me of the complaints one hears dealing with the "brutal recoil" of the Government Model Pistol, firing the 45 ACP cartridge. There is some recoil, but then one cannot discharge a firearm, of any sort, without recoil.

More important however, I thought, was some of the comment dealing with the last 200 or so pages of the book, pages that were more than a little bloody. Described therein were the undesirable results of a situation that could well be described as "government gone wild", where otherwise peaceful, law abiding citizens were, so to speak, pushed over the edge, by what were plainly THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF GOVERNMENT AGENTS.

While one remembers that we are dealing with a work of fiction, a historical novel, faced with the situation therein described, a situation that could well come to pass, at some point in the not all that distant future, in the case of such undesirable events, to whom would one look.

While blame would be parceled out amongst the people, who didn't pay attention to what was going on around them, the ones who accepted an ongoing circus, instead of bread, and amongst self aggrandizing bureaucrats and faceless civil servants, who were all to ready to abuse the nickels worth of authority they had been granted, and to The President, who set an entirely wrong tone, the bulk of blame would lay in two (2) places.

Place number 1 would be with The Judiciary, who have always had the power to toss out, the specious cases brought by out of control government and police agencies, but failed to so do, thereby failing THE PEOPLE.

Place number 2, and by far the largest place in view would be in and with The Congress. The Congress who had oversight responsibility, which it failed, on an ongoing basis, to shoulder. The Congress, which allowed itself, time and time again, to be stampeded into enactment of really stupid, not to mention CONSTITUTIONALLY QUESTIONABLE laws. The Congress, our law making body, that when showered with example after example of improper if not illegal acts by government agencies and their employees, not only failed to check the transgressions of run away agencies and their employees, but failed to take the requisite action regarding the ill advised legislation it had enacted, REPEAL.

So ladies and gentlemen, should the situation depicted in UC come to pass, and should one desire to know whom to blame, you all might want to remember the foregoing, for if you remember, it is possible that the undesirable situation depicted might be avoided, yet we all might still see the time when the problems depicted had been peacefully solved, the most desirable of the possibilities.

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OK, you guys have convinced me, I'm going to have to read it. Especially after reading the reviews at Amazon-anything compared with "Atlas Shrugged" (my favorite novel-if my signature hasn't given that away) has got to be good. Durn, could buy a couple boxes of ammo for that price though...decisions, decisions :).

Bri

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I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine-Ayn Rand
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brianidaho:
OK, you guys have convinced me, I'm going to have to read it. Especially after reading the reviews at Amazon-anything compared with "Atlas Shrugged" (my favorite novel-if my signature hasn't given that away) has got to be good[/quote]

BrianIdaho was a character in Atlas Shrugged ? Refresh my memory please...
 
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