Anyone else dislike S&W semi-auto pistols?

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I've owned a 3913 since the model was
first introduced in the eighties. Have
never had a problem with reliability.
Remember, when it was introduced it was
considered somewhat "revolutionary" because
of its size. Kind of like an ASP/Devel in
a production gun. I do agree that the trigger
leaves room for improvement, but so did the
triggers on my Colt gov model, Browning
Hi Power, etc.

As a carry gun I'm satisfied with the 3913.

Incidently, I believe FBI Director Louis
Freeh carries that model...Hmmmm, that's
probably not a reason to rush out and buy
one.
 
Can not STAND S&W Autos. The shape of the grip is ALL WRONG.
The numbering systems needs to come with a decoder ring and the slide mounted safety is farce. (I think that of ALL slide mounted safetys.)
 
I don't like Sold out & Worthless (that's for you FUD) :D semi autos because the ones I've shot (3) didn't feel good, had poor triggers and I couldn't hit the side of the barn with then even if I was inside the barn.

FUD, you're right, you've got a right to buy what you want and call it like you want. Conversely, the rest of us have the right to buy what we want and call *&* whatever we like. More power to you.

Since the question was about their semi autos and not revolvers, I'll leave my comments to the semi autos.

Their quality is superior to or as good as SIG, H&K or Glock? Sorry but I cannot go with that one. Just have to ask myself how many military units use S&W semi autos. Not many if any.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sks:
I don't like Sold out & Worthless
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LOL. Wait, I thought S&W stood for Sellouts & Wussies? ;)
 
Quantum, did you send your faulty guns back to Smith and Wesson for warranty repair, or did you rely on a local smith? I'm only asking since I have sent several revolvers back to S&W for warranty and custom work (for nitpicky things) and their service can only be described as excellent, 110%. Like others have said, you can find lemons in any mass-produced item, but S&W will back you up if you do.

I have never had to send any of my 3 Smith autos back. Sure the single action can suck, but they function better than anything else I've tried, including Sig, Taurus, Ruger, and Colt autos.

Oh, BTW, I've never heard of a Smith auto BLOWING UP IN YOUR HAND like Glocks can either, just thought I'd mention it.

Have a nice day!
 
Okay sks, since nobody answered the question the first time around, I'll ask it again. Up until two years ago, S&W was the world's largest handgun makers with a considerable amount coming from it's pistol line. Unlike Glock, SIGs, etc.; a majority of their sales were to the private sector. If their guns were so bad, how did they manage to sell so many of them? You would think that word would have gotten around and people would have bought less of them but that wasn't the case. Why did the shooting public keep buying all of these bad guns? It wasn't the price, that's for sure.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by:
Okay , since nobody answered the question the first time around, I'll ask it again. Up until two years ago, S&W was the world's largest handgun makers with a considerable amount coming from it's pistol line. Unlike Glock, SIGs, etc.; a majority of their sales were to the private sector. If their guns were so bad, how did they manage to sell so many of them? You would think that word would have gotten around and people would have bought less of them but that wasn't the case. Why did the shooting public keep buying all of these bad guns? It wasn't the price, that's for sure. [/quote]

Maybe because their American made? So many people will buy lesser products just to "buy American". IMO, General Motors is a case in point. GM sells a lot of lemons and people still keep coming back for more...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grapeshot: ... they function better than anything else I've tried, including Sig, Taurus, Ruger, and Colt autos ...[/quote]For those that understand, no explanation is needed. For those that don't believe, no additional explanation is possible.
 
#1 There is no finer wheelgun, period, the end. #2 S&W did make at least one very good auto, the S&W745, which I shot in competitions for over 3 years. #3 S&W is still here, barely, Colt is gone, and Glock is talking with the goverment right now, as is Sig and H&K. Seems like over 70 mayors of serious spending power want 'a deal' with whoever they buy their cop guns from. Look at it this way, business is business, politics sucks. Bashing S&W today is just practice to bash Glock tomorrow. Tell me basher types, who are you going to buy guns from in the end? I suppose there will always be Paki copies of anything.....
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grapeshot:
Quantum, did you send your faulty guns back to Smith and Wesson for warranty repair, or did you rely on a local smith?

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Both. Both models were sent to the factory. They fixed broken parts ok, but could not get either model to feed correctly-- and they claimed that they polished the feed ramp, but since they still jammed I doubt S&W's claim. I then tried a private gunsmith and he couldn't get them to feed correctly either. I had enough and sold both at a rock bottom price.
 
FUD, I would wager that a majority of their products were revolvers, which is not part of this discussion. As to facts and figures, there is NO ONE on this board that can prove how much they sold or in what amount they sold.

On the other hand, personal experience speaks volumes and very seldom have I seem an over abundance of their semi autos in gun stores, sporting goods stores or gun shows.

My feeling is that they made their money via revolvers and good revolvers they were / are.

Personally I think they totally sold us out trying to save their skin. Am I against having any thing made by them? No. Will I buy any more from them? No. If the other gun manufacturers go the same route then I'll quit buying from them and stick with what I have.

I hope that they fold, go broke, bankrupt, finish, out of business, go away, etc. They are already feeling the heat of the American public. We've voted with our pocket books and it hurts. If the others do the same then someone will just have to start another company that doesn't knucjkle under to the USG.

Nuff said, that was way off of the topic but I wanted to respond.

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9x45 brings up a good point ... what happens when other makers sign agreements with the government? Will you boycott them too? And when they go out of business, then you will have done the anti's work for them.
 
I use to have a S&W .40 and hated the trigger got rid of that for a SIG .40 love that one.. :D

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sks: ... there is NO ONE on this board that can prove how much they sold or in what amount they sold ...[/quote]According to BATF data for 1998 (the last year that complete data is currently available for) S&W sold 133,477 pistols and 139,583 revolvers in that year -- 48.8% to 51.2%

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I think S&W revolvers are the best for the most part (pre-sellout of course). Their autos, on the other hand, I dislike. It is just my personal preference however. I have no evidence that they are of poor quality. But to each his/her own, right?
 
# of "firearms" mfg in 1998:

PISTOLS:
Ruger: 161,058
Colt: 62,757
Taurus: 17,820
Kel-Tec: 19,239
Beretta: 110,719
S&W: 133,477
Sig: 54,531
Kimber: 31,762

REVOLVERS:
S&W: 139,583
Ruger: 120,417
Colt: 33,212

FUD and I can even divide them up by cailber if you need.
You're welcome ;)
Ben

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[This message has been edited by Ben (edited September 21, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
Originally posted by sks: ... there is NO ONE on this board that can prove how much they sold or in what amount they sold ...
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According to BATF data for 1998 (the last year that complete data is currently available for) S&W sold 133,477 pistols and 139,583 revolvers in that year -- 48.8% to 51.2%

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I wonder how many of those guns were sold to K.H.P. (Kalifornia Highway Patrol)? S&W .40's are their officially issued sidearm now.
From a civilian standpoint, in my area of Kalifornia, local gun stores cannot sell an S&W semi-auto (even before the deal). People just don't like them around here...Sigs and Glocks are much better sellers.



[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited September 21, 2000).]
 
At the time of the signing of the agreement, it was publicly published that ABOUT 25% of S&W sales were to the government (local, county, state & federal).
 
[But, I won't do it because of the agreement. I also won't by used ones because I don't want to give them repair business.[/B][/QUOTE]

buzz_knox, if you send guns for repair to Smith&Wesson, you are not giving them any business, you obviously neber owned any of their firearms! The service is free. All S&W guns have life time warranty. And yes, their service is exellent, although it just costs THEM money to keep your gun up and running.
 
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