Another Shoot or Don't Shoot Thread... With a Twist

[stephen426]

Not a troll at all but why sit around and think of things that may happen? train and be prepared! But you dont have to sit and wait for the worst to happen. many of these are so far fetched i would worry more about being hurt by falling space garbage than the scenario happening.

Failure to be mentally prepared leads to indecisiveness and increases the chances of taking the wrong action or delayed action. Like I said earlier, I am prepared to shoot someone threatening me with deadly force and would not hesitate if I thought my life in danger.

Many members have made a highly valid point that you can never be sure of what the robber will do and that one should exploit any opportunity to "take control" of the situation. Again, claim that this scenario is far fetched. Which scenario are you talking about? Getting robbed? Over half a dozen restaurants of this particular franchise I own have been hit in the past 3 months? My restaurant is very busy and we are coming into the holiday season. What better time to hit a restaurant? If you are saying that the possibility of retaliation is low, I invite you to provide statistics. Retaliation may be physical or legal.

I don't believe that Florida prevents family members of dead scumbags from taking civil action against people who were not charged with a homocide. Furthermore, I don't plan on closing the business or changing my name or address so finding me won't be hard. Will I be 100% prepared against any attacks? Probably not. It is impossible to prevent an ambush since I do not know everymember of the scumbag's family. The same goes for my wife and parents, plus they are not as capable to defend themselves.

We do not live in a bubble and understand that there are risks involved with owning a business. Their stance is that we increase the risks or additional trouble (be it physincal or legal) by shooting and killing someone over money that is insured. I hope it never happens, but based on the responses so far, all resonses have been to take control of the situation, whether it be shooting or attempting to disarm him at gun point. Trust me... any agression will be met with equal or greater force.

 

[Kruniac]

Big problem here! NEVER shoot to wound! Shoot center mass. why wound him and piss him off?? I dont think you would ever have to worry about the scenario ever happening but unless you need a prisoner to get intel from, never try and wound, shoot to stop and take yourself out of danger for good. if shooting to wound would suffice then you should not shoot at all

I agree. If I knew I had a chance, I wouldnt have a whole lot of fear, since actually being aware of your chance to draw means that the bad guy is wide open. Wide open=Comfort for me.

Fire three to five into the center (somewhere, because we arent going to be marksmen while avoiding getting shot) while keeping an eye on his gun movement, then when hes down, hit him once more in the side of the face "because he went for his gun".

If he dies from the headshot, great. If he doesnt, he gets to be disfigured for the rest of his life, and he can do some inspirational videos for urban youths about the dangers of criminal life. Either way, I keep my money, my life, my business, and I get some extra customers once I make the news.

And theres all the angles.

 

[dwatts47]

I wish not to shoot him "just because I can", but I'm also not ignorant enought to think that If I comply he'll hurt no one.

If I did comply, and he hurt no one, I've just become his local ATM for everytime he gets low on cash...Like any bully, he'd try and bleed you dry until you had nothing to give except your life and that my friends is not an option.

 

[Kruniac]

I wish not to shoot him "just because I can"

I have to disagree with this. Not trying to sound like a mall-ninja navy s33l or anything, If I ever had a chance to legally murder a criminal (especially if that criminal was interfering with MY life), I would take it.

Im not talking about some guy throwing me a beating because I called him a douchebag in a bar. I dont mean "civil disagreements". I mean armed robbers, burglars, etc.

If I am in the frame of mind to carefully consider the situation, and in said situation I can legally murder the guy - im taking that opportunity. If their mothers and fathers cry for them, well, maybe they should have been aware that their son was a scumbag. If their children grow up without fathers, I feel very sorry for them, as they didnt have a choice in the world regarding the hand that got dealt. If their wives end up alone, they should have left the criminal a long time before it came to that.

I dont support racism, religious hatred, or any other cliche that gets put on people for who they are - but one cliche I dont roll with is the criminal type. Predators who WILL take advantage of weakness, and take other people's lives/family/money/property. I wont tolerate them, and thats just the way I feel.

 

[zbordas]

There were too many cases when the calm robber(s) did not want to leave any witnesses behind and litteraly executed the staff.

I would rather take my chances while I can and take out the attacker rather than being a victim. If I saw somebody pulling a weapon I would immediatly try to take cover / move out of the endangered zone then / while accessing my SD weapon. If you start moving you have a lot better chances.

I would not put my life on the mercy of an armed robber!

 

[dwatts47]

If I ever had a chance to legally murder a criminal (especially if that criminal was interfering with MY life), I would take it.

Self defense is not murder. By responding this way it shows an arrogance of "oh yea, well take this you dirty son of a...."

Not the kinda thing you want a jury, or a society to associate with you and your family.

 

[Erik]

"You are the owner of a business and someone comes in to rob you at gun point. So far, the bad guy has made no indication that he wants to hurt anyone."

Your conclusion does not match your scenario.

 

[Luis Leon]

Shoot him to the ground

I'm not fast enough to answer all those questions in the alloted time span. He put himself in harms way, when he pointed his gun at me. Shoot him to the ground. See your family again, and hopefully prevail against any assault on your integrity by the legal system.

regards,

Luis Leon

 

[45-70]

Bad Question

Sorry, Stephen 426. I think your scenario is loaded.

First you state that the bad guy is robbing us at gun point. Then you say he is acting in a calm manner so far without overtly threatening anyone. Stop right there.

No wonder you worry about lawsuits and retaliation, if you allow your thoughts to muddle off this way. If a guy points a gun at me and demands money, that right there is a threat to kill or do great bodily harm. If there is no threat, there is no robbery, by definition. Ask a lawyer.

You have set up a situation involving a clear threat to kill, then you add on layers of denial. The scenario doesn't work for me. The bad guy can very calmly have a negligent discharge and someone can still die. For this senario, when the BG shows the deadly weapon, he has pushed my start button. Something bad is very likely to happen to him within the next 2 seconds, if at all possible, unless he drops his weapon or runs.

Suggestion: Clarify your thinking or you may wind up providing a source of more weapons for robbers, as they take your unused firearm away from you or off your body.

 

[rem870hunter]

my place of business is my house too

i know the laws in NJ are funny here but



i look at it like this. you came into my business. with a weapon. gun, knife bat. a board with or without a 6" nail sticking out the side of it. whatever telling/asking me for money. as far as i am concerned you came into my HOUSE threatning me or my customers/family. YOU are a major lowlife scumbag and don't belong in here or in society. i don't need to pull and tell/ask you to leave or put the weapon down. you came in on your own with 1 thing on your mind. to hurt or kill someone. for money etc. things that do not belong to YOU. what needs to be done is for you to take 2 .45 slugs or a round or 12 ga. buckshot to your chest. thats all and when you get to hell tell satan i said HELLO!!! and to also tell your friends and family DO NOT MESS WITH A HOME/BUSINESS OWNER.

 

[easyG]

If he's pointing his gun at me then I would give him the money.

But if he gets distracted and turns for even a second....he's a dead man.