Another local shooting

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kmw1954

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This incident happened last night and is just 20 minutes from my home and just 10 minutes from my daughters home. These events are becoming more frequent in our area as just this past summer my daughter had an attempted invasion at her home but the 2 dogs drove him off. He too was later apprehended. So this is the 4th of 5th home invasion with injuries in the past couple years. It's long past time to get the daughter a gun.

Because of these events I have rearmed myself after many years of being unarmed and I have also taught the wife how to shoot. Not ready to carry but I will defend my home and family.

This also brings me to another point which I will post in another thread so I hope you will look for it and reply but I am in need of a quick access pistol safe to safely store a loaded pistol. I have on clue what to look for and the reviews are confusing at best.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...6/1-dead-3-wounded-in-kenosha-county-shooting
 
Are there kids at home? If not, keep it handy on your nightstand at night, and on your person around the house during the day.
 
If you don’t carry you may not have time to get to it if your home perimeter is breached...


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Yes there are small grandchildren and we never know when they will show up. Second I don't want to walk around the house with a pistol strapped on but I do want to be able to get it quickly if need be.

That area has had 5 major drug busts in the past 4 years. Not including a meth lab.
 
Here is how I feel. If I get to the point that I need to walk my house armed during the day then it is time to sell and move! So no I do not want to carry in my own home.
 
One or two home invasions per year, or one or two drugs busts per year are very low if you think about it. I live in a small county ~30k population, and there's one or two home invasions / drug busts weekly. I'd say you're lucky. Don't blame you for arming yourself though, I sure am.
 
Here is how I feel. If I get to the point that I need to walk my house armed during the day then it is time to sell and move! So no I do not want to carry in my own home.

Depends on if you live in an urban apartment or a fairly large, multistory property in a very suburban or rural setting.

Apartments, especially budget ones, are easy to manage. Layout is practically right there in front of you. Large rural properties, not so much. Imagine living in an Edwardian house. You go downstairs into the basement to check the steam furnace...You are easily now isolated from the rest of the house. You hear a suspicious noise coming from an upstairs landing, and realize that your Sig P226 is in the master bedroom. Only problem is whatever is making the noise is between you and the bedroom, somewhere in one of the halls or stairs.

A lot of popular Web-based horror fiction and creepypastas often feature realistic depictions of what home invasions look like. They are quite...silent and unnoticeable in multistory houses until they are heard creeping up stairs or running into something. By that time, perp or perps are deep inside the property and room clearing might be necessary. I had to read "A Clockwork Orange" in high school AP English class. HATED it. Because when the "droogies" burst into F. Alexander's house, I kept hoping he would ventilate each and one of them. But the book got me into studying the tactical procedures behind home defense and the proper weapons, calibers, ballistics etc... Often here and on other gun boards when the issue is discussed I often use the "old surprise visit" from that book to illustrate how fast, violent and silent a home break in can be.

I live in an apartment so I normally don't go around the rooms with a holstered handgun. But the pistol is always within reach near my desk when I am writing or on the computer. Rifle is in the bedroom closet. Neighborhood is pretty decent. No violent activity aside from drunken fights and undocumented day laborers urinating and defecating everywhere. I am not too concerned about actual psychos or escaped convicts/hardened killers roaming around. Too urban a place for urban legends to actually happen.

But I have went with friends out to the countryside and spent nights in rented villas, usually for birthday parties and such. Large properties with lots of rooms and lots of hallways. Always carried my hunting revolver loaded with flat points and hollow points. Never worn it on a holster inside the properties, especially with numerous other guests and parties going on, but always had it in a haversack that I carried around with me, even to the bathroom where it would be sitting on the floor near the sink garbage pail while I am taking a shower. No one is going to question a crumpled old looking army green canvas haversack being toted around. Just think it was toiletries or changes of clothing. But if something bad happens I can access my firearm readily. Guess I read too much creepypastas but still like to be prepared. Better safe than sorry!
 
The Village of Paddock Lake has a population of 3000 and is mostly rural though it is just 25 minutes away from the interstate between Chicago and Milwaukee. Not so long ago the home invasion rate was zero. It just didn't happen.
 
Eh, it less of a pain to carry a pistol in my own home than to carry one in public and if I need it at home the stakes are a lot higher. Not to mention that carry at home is the best solution - the pistol is under your constant supervision and simultaneously safe from misuse (except by you).

If you decide to go with a handgun/safe solution, the Hornady RapidSafe is a good product. Like all of those products, it won’t defeat a determined attack but it will serve most need well.
 
Eh, it less of a pain to carry a pistol in my own home than to carry one in public and if I need it at home the stakes are a lot higher. Not to mention that carry at home is the best solution - the pistol is under your constant supervision and simultaneously safe from misuse (except by you).

In some circumstances, it is quite advantageous and appropriate to carry while in the home, like if you are home alone or with children in a multistory house in a crime-prone area. Back in the days before cell phones became a commonplace item, it has been documented that in many domestic violence cases involving a jealous partner breaking in and seriously injuring or killing the victim, the victim had not been able to call the authorities because the landline phone was in another part of the house or in a different room than the one they were caught in when they were taken by surprise. Also, how many people have slipped and fallen and injured themselves, or suffered heart attacks and were not able to reach a phone because it was in another room?

When an emergency happens, even "just out of arm's length" may be too far away. Just like that old saying "When seconds count the police are just minutes away".

Then, there are also those who claim that it is too paranoid to be considering carrying a pistol 24/7 around your home. Lets do a compromise for all parties: Being safe and protecting yourself/loved ones from attack is something that is not just addressed by guns and weapons: It is a multistep procedure involving being observant of your surroundings/paying attention to detail/making your house attractive to it's occupants and unattractive to criminals. One of these things you can do to address the abovementioned is investing fully in passive defensive measures for your house such as solid, reliable locks and chains, motion sensing alarms, video surveillance, window bars, strengthening other possible entrances to the property (ie. basement doors, side doors, kitchen screen doors). With that done, also pay attention to your surroundings and avoid being careless. Think that you might have forgotten to lock the kitchen door after your son brought in his bike? Go check it out and make sure it is locked. It only takes a minute or two. Something just feels a little off? It might be. Go make sure all the locks and deadbolts are secured. Have curtains over those large bay windows at night when the room lights are on. You are not able to see outside into the dark but someone standing outside, out of view, can see everything that is going on inside the room. These are only a fraction of things that you can do to fortify your property from potential criminals. The gun is the second line of defense that you fall back on if the first line is breached.
 
I was severely assaulted. Was not armed (though it may not have helped) but I discovered that it is impossible to call 911 when your phone is soaked in your own blood. The touchscreen doesn’t work and it was pre “Hey Siri” days. I managed to draw attention to my plight by yelling at the agressor as loud as I could and someone in a nearby apartment complex heard me. Luckily some officers happened to be a short distance away.
 
Here is how I feel. If I get to the point that I need to walk my house armed during the day then it is time to sell and move! So no I do not want to carry in my own home.

The Village of Paddock Lake has a population of 3000 and is mostly rural though it is just 25 minutes away from the interstate between Chicago and Milwaukee. Not so long ago the home invasion rate was zero. It just didn't happen.

We all enjoy our own levels of complacency. This is why we keep seeing/hearing over and over again about how "I can't believe it happened here." It can happen anywhere. Somebody will always be the first.
 
If the home invaders are any good at what they do, you won't have time to go unlock a safe to get a gun.

You may be able to come up with some way to fool them into letting you get it after they've taken over--I've seen that kind of thing reported in a few home invasions. Or you may not.
Now I'm glad I live where I do and not where you all are.
I live in a quiet suburban neighborhood. As far as I know there's never been a home invasion in this area. I carry because it is, by far, the easiest way to have a gun readily accessible, not because I think it's likely I'll need it or because I feel unsafe without it.
Eh, it less of a pain to carry a pistol in my own home than to carry one in public and if I need it at home the stakes are a lot higher. Not to mention that carry at home is the best solution - the pistol is under your constant supervision and simultaneously safe from misuse (except by you).
Yup.
 
Drug activity

A few years ago there was a home invasion near here. The person that was home was stabbed and seriously injured.
One of four people who seriously injured a school teacher in a Golden home invasion, after they’d entered the wrong home, was sentenced to 42 years.

Its easy to be complacent, especially if the crime rate in your neighborhood is low.
 
Yes there are small grandchildren and we never know when they will show up. Second I don't want to walk around the house with a pistol strapped on but I do want to be able to get it quickly if need be.

That area has had 5 major drug busts in the past 4 years. Not including a meth lab.
Carry 'concealed' while at home..no need to have it open carried. Same for daughter..plus nightstand if no kiddies around.
 
Why is this so difficult? I've stated 3 times already I do not and am not going to carry a firearm all day everyday inside my house.. If it is necessary to do this then it's time to find a safer neighborhood. Also do not feel the need to explain the security already in place.

There are young children in and out of the house. This safe is not to keep the guns from being stolen but to keep them out of youngsters little hands but still accessible if needed.
So if the only answer is to carry all day everyday then I will just lock them up when company comes by.

Now someone please explain the difference between keeping one in one of these lock boxes or in a nightstand drawer? A nightstand isn't going to keep it away from little hands.
 
Why is this so difficult? I've stated 3 times already I do not and am not going to carry a firearm all day everyday inside my house.. If it is necessary to do this then it's time to find a safer neighborhood. Also do not feel the need to explain the security already in place.

It is cool. Nobody is dictating that you must carry a firearm indoors. It is just that this is a public discussion board, much like a neighborhood sports bar and when questions and issues are posted, people gather around the [digital] bar counter and talk about these issues and try to think up solutions for them. Other members read these threads, and plenty of readers from all over the Internet also read them. The posted collective knowledge serves to educate everybody who partakes in it. Though if the moderators are actually bartenders as well and I can order a few shots of Jim Beam from JohnKsa behind the counter, that would make TFL even better, wouldn't it?:)

All jokes aside now, we are just brainstorming ideas on how to make your property attractive to those who live inside it, and unattractive to criminals and other individuals with ill intent. We all have our opinions, ideas and knowledge, and we are sharing it for the benefit of everybody.
 
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