Angry Mob Attacks Family... (This DOES happen!)

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Based on the article cited, there isn't enough information to say whether it was or not.
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That may be true, and I doubt we want to go down this road with this thread, but if the races had been reversed it would have been ASSUMED to be a hate crime unless shown otherwise.
 
Matolman1

I Sir, agree with you. Mr.Marshall did not only have the right but the responsibility to protect his family. I will not go in to the stats of the presence of a gun acting as a deterent. Reading some of the opposing posts make me realize that posting on this forum does not make one a supporter of the second ammendment.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how people can take the simple, obvious, common sense argument that having a firearm does not automatically make a bad situation better and twist it into "not supporting the second amendment".

Yes, I am clearly a person who does not support the second amendment. Yep, me, the guy who is wearing a gun as I type this, is first in line to buy a hunting license on the first day it's possible every year, writes to my senators and assemblymen in opposition to anti-gun legislation... obviously I don't support the right to keep and bear arms.

How could I be so blind? It's not awareness that matters. It's not possible that having a gun could turn into a bad thing, or make a bad situation worse. A firearm is the end-all, be-all of personal protection, smarts don't matter, de-escalation doesn't matter, don't try to evade and elude, ENGAGE and DESTROY! You hold the weapon of life and death in your hands! Wield it as a mighty god!

Does that sound better? More in line with the second amendment? Do I sound more prepared? More willing to defend my family and property?


Let's get over the rhetorical nonsense shall we? Let's take a real, common sense look at some of the defensive shootings with which we're all so familiar and truly ask ourselves "Were these guys better off because they had a gun?"

How about the pharmacist up on murder charges?
How about Fish who went to jail for killing an unarmed man?
How about Tyler, TX where a man tried to be intervene and ended up dead.
How about the guys that chased a guy out of their house and shot him, who may now be charged with murder?

Are they all better off because they had a gun? Can we not concede that it's possible to make things WORSE with a defensive firearm?
 
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A met a guy who was carrying a Ruger 9mm with its 15 rounds and TWO 15 round spare mags. He said he never used to carry so much ammo but he stopped to help a motorist one night and as he got out of his car to walk up and offer help a group of guys (he said 7-8) walked out of the woods straight towards him. They were armed with tire iron, shovel and whatever else. He drew his weapon and backed up to his car and escaped. He said he'll always carry more ammo in the future. I told him that if he shot the first couple I doubt the rest would have been motivated to keep coming but I do see his point. Personally I like my M&P with one back up mag (25 rounds) or my P7 with two spare mags (25 rounds) sometimes with just one spare mag in my pocket which is still 17 rounds. I feel pretty well armed with that.

Heck I even carry two spare mags with my LCP for 18 rounds.

I guess if 50 violent teens attacked I would desperately wish for more though.
 
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A met a guy who was carrying a Ruger 9mm with its 15 rounds and TWO 15 round spare mags. He said he never used to carry so much ammo but he stopped to help a motorist one night and as he got out of his car to walk up and offer help a group of guys (he said 7-8) walked out of the woods straight towards him. They were armed with tire iron, shovel and whatever else. He drew his weapon and backed up to his car and escaped. He said he'll always carry more ammo in the future. I told him that if he shot the first couple I doubt the rest would have been motivated to keep coming but I do see his point. Personally I like my M&P with one back up mag (25 rounds) or my P7 with two spare mags (25 rounds) sometimes with just one spare mag in my pocket which is still 17 rounds. I feel pretty well armed with that.
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7 or 8 guys or 50 guys. Doesn't matter. If the first 15 rounds don't do it and the BGs are close enough to warrant shooting in the first place, you're not going to have time to reload. It is amazing how many folks think carrying a semi-auto without a round in the chamber is akin to carrying a brick because it takes too long to charge the pistol but then seem to think the BGs will agree to a time out if they have to reload during a SD situation.

How many people practice reloading while a BG or multiple BGs with impact weapons are bearing down on them? I suspect it is far fewer than those who just stick a couple extra reloads in their pocket and feel safe.

Reloads? Meh. If I have to take on multiple attackers, an extra gun or two is going to be my best chance at survival.
 
Reality!!

Matolman1

Interjecting reality into this medium? Could be classed as a bit of a stretch,
but having been in a few big punch up's, me! Not this friend of mine, or I heard this story... Me!

This kind of a group could have been carved up with two or three wild men from the sixty's, good solid punches, shin kicks, head butts, we waded into street crowds, a boat full of drunks on the Royal Iris a River Mersey cruise/Ferry boat.
And really enjoyed it! But different times, and as Bouncers, we got paid as well!

Different times, different situation.

The first sound of a +P+ 9mm (my favorite carry round) with the muzzle flash (not seen by the shooter) vividly seen from the front, the possible, in fact very likely result, panic retreat. Anyone forgot their ear protection? With a target load? Try 30% more bang for your buck! Coming in your direction.

Have you ever seen some one (or more than one) kicked and stamped to death?

And before the never had a fight as an adult crowd jump in with "How do you justify this" who gives a tinkers cuss! You are White, the crowd is black, or you are black, and the crowd is white? It makes no never mind, it's a mob! You shoot them, a lot! Four shots? Five? The area is clearing, mobs sway left, right, forward or back. That is the nature of a mob.

My carry pistol and load, every day working, or concealed carry... Glock 19, with 16 rounds up, a spare mag, 17 rounds, small bright flashlight.

Good knife clipped to pocket, watch and cell phone.

Expect a riot? Know, do I feel I need a gun? I might, so I have one.

This is really one for the "It could not happen" crowd, or the "5 shot snubby is good enough"
 
I only carry three rounds.

Statistics indicate 90% of armed confrontations are resolved by show of force, without firing a shot. Of those involving shooting, the AVERAGE number of shots fired is three.

I want to be average. I don't want any advantage the average armed civilian doesn't have. If I can't solve the situation in the first three rounds then I am done for. No use carrying all that extra weight of a loaded mag.

Anyone that carries more than three rounds is a fool. Their gun will be used against them. That scares the heck out of me. :eek:

In fact, I am thinking that 90% is good enough. Maybe I shouldn't carry any ammo, just the sound of racking the slide on my Glock will scare the attackers off 90% of the time.

What do you all think?



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Unless you're VERY good/fast, extra rounds won't help you. While shooting at the first attackers, the rest will gang-jump you and you'll be down. If one or more of them has guns, you're toast.
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Not ruling out the possibility, but I'd be more inclined to bet they'd scatter like cockroaches when the lights come on at the first shot or even the sight of a gun. To suggest they'd attack into gunfire, knowing some would be shot, is more of a tribute to their bravery than deserved. I'm talking about gang members, not a large mob gone wild in the street.

It depends on the size of the mob and their mentality. Saw two British officers armed with BHP's surrounded and dragged from their car and beaten to death by a mob in N. Ireland. Don't believe they fired a shot, or that they could have saved themselves. The mob was motivated by pure hatred and was determined. The first part of the incident was shown on the news decades ago.

On the other hand, who could, with a straight face, say that Reginald Denny couldn't have saved himself if armed with a G19, P226, etc.-- spare mag. or not?

Instead of opening his door and seeing a G19 pointed at them, they just dragged him out of his truck and damaged his brain to the extent that, later on when he could walk and talk again, he said he didn't have any hard feelings.

Just my thoughts on the matter.:cool:
 
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It is amazing how an angry mob stops dead in their tracks when one of their leaders falls flat on his face with a bullet in his forehead.

This whole family is very blessed just to be alive.

Even a big can of bear pepper spray or foam would have been priceless in this incident.

Very scary indeed.
 
A gun is simply a tool. You are the weapon. You are the radar that is constantly scanning for information, processing that information and deciding if and when to act on that information.

Nobody needs to explain to me that a pistol in hand is not a cure all magic wand..."POOF" and everything is OK.

The need for constant training and discipline, for constant awareness and following up with your instincts when your brain alerts you to trouble, is the absolute majority of importance.

You should prepare yourself to acquire a combat mindset. When attacked, it is nothing short of millenium old close combat where the man with the most perseverance, physical and mental prowess and combat ruthlessness will win the day.

You cannot expect to overcome a deadly adversary that will use any tool at his disposal to destroy you or those you are sworn to protect, or an adversary that will just as soon kill you for a dollar at the local gas station, unless you yourself have trained your mind and body to be alert and aware and to react to this aggressive attack with extreme violence of action.

If you truly believe otherwise, you are delusional. You are the Sheep.
http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

Read the above link, let it sink in. Then ask yourself if the Combat Mindset is unnecessary.

We live in America, the greatest country that has ever existed. Yet, people on this forum seem to like to mention how "I don't live in a war zone" or "I don't live in a place where there is a constant threat."
I ask you, are you living in the same country I am? in the same USA? This country has the highest prison population on earth. It has the highest violent crime rate on the earth. You DO live in a war zone.

Imagine what happens when the power goes out for a month and the riots begin. Anyone remember Katrina? It was a free for all. Mob rule.

BE PREPARED for the worst case scenario and always expect the unexpected.

I have enjoyed reading the various posts here, it helps me learn how people think and I enjoy learning about people. The more I know about how to average person thinks, the better prepared I can be.
 
I ask you, are you living in the same country I am?
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Yep.

It has the highest violent crime rate on the earth
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:rolleyes:

You DO live in a war zone.
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You have spent waaaaaaaaay too much time in Eretz Yisroel:p You are here in the US now, you can relax*

If you truly believe otherwise, you are delusional. You are the Sheep.
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Baaaah baaaah

WildtheforegoingquotessayitallAlaska ™

*My cousin spends hours trying to convice me to go live in Israel with him...I tell him I have enough stress trying to buy .380 ammo ;)
 
I ask you, are you living in the same country I am? in the same USA? This country has the highest prison population on earth. It has the highest violent crime rate on the earth. You DO live in a war zone.
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Apparently not. Where I live, almost everyone within miles knows almost everyones else, at least in passing. We have not had a murder for miles around in more years than I can remember. Never heard of a rape that didn't involve an acquaintance. No armed robberies, no muggings, no gangs, no drive-bys, no mob violence after football games, nothing, really, at all.

In fact, in America as a whole, the one that exists outside of the vigor of the internet, 99% of the "sheeple" live their entire lives in peace. Completely unprepared as they may be, they manage just fine. They don't die violent deaths in shootouts. They die of old age and heart disease.

So, no, we do not live in a war zone. Not even close.

As prepared as I am to defend myself and my family, should the need arise, I am also fully aware that the need will most likely NEVER arise. Just like it never has for every one I know and every one I have EVER known.

BE PREPARED for the worst case scenario and always expect the unexpected.
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BE prepared for the "worst case"? Please, we can't even define "worst case". What would it be nuclear war? Meteor strike? Surely nothing less would qualify as "worst case". What should we all be doing? Underground bunkers, air purification, hundreds (thousands?) of MREs and canned food, water purification systems, dozens or hundreds of guns, hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo, HAM radios, CBs....

More useless rhetoric.

It has the highest violent crime rate on the earth.
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That is just absolute crap. Ever heard of.... Somalia, Sudan, Darfur, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq?

Want a few more?


Do some reading:

http://www.nationmaster.com/article/Crime-Rates-Around-the-World

and relax a little. The stress will kill you faster than a violent mugger.
 
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Read the above link, let it sink in. Then ask yourself if the Combat Mindset is unnecessary.
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Interesting that a high % of citizens who survive deadly force encounters have no training with re: to tactics or mindset.

Often times, the victim, or their loved one, was injured by their assailant before they even remembered they had a gun--- which they eventually got to. As often as not, they had a .32ACP, .25 Auto, .38 Special, .22 RF, etc. They didn't use cover and likely didn't have time to use it, anyway. Reloads are almost non existent. Many fired out of fear while they, or a loved one, were already under assault.

Yes, they're own lack of awareness and training allowed things to get to that point.


You can read Chris Bird's "Thank God I Had A Gun" or John Waters' books about such citizens. While Waters' books are well done with regards to the details of the incidents, including the tactics used by criminals, his frequent faux pas related to the opertion of firearms is a little embarassilng at times.:o Still worth reading.

While ordinary citizens operating on pure adrenalin and no training prevail more often than one might think, they only emphasize the huge advantages of proper training and tactics. And also awareness of tricks folks use to gain entrance to your home, or attack you on the street.

As far as mind set is concerned, some of the citizens mentioned above survived because they had it. They sure didn't survive because of training.:cool:
 
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It's funny how most people believe protecting themselves is carrying a gun and all is solved. I preached situational awareness to my ex for years. She just never got it. So many times the little voice in my head say this is a bad situation or a bad place to be and I acted on that instinct. Avoiding trouble is a successful engagement, having to react usually means a failure in tactics somewhere.

My current girlfriend is a great believer in details and is very good at situational awareness and listening to that same warning voice in her head. Add to that the fact she is a great shot and she is better prepared to rotect herself than many are.

The most curious thing to me about the original post is how did such a large group sneak up on this family? They had to be making a ton of noise. the lesson learned should be don't be so oblivious to your surroundings.
 
How did a crowd sneak up?

They wouldn't have to sneak up. The family was at a fireworks display on the 4th. They were unlucky enough to be in an area where a group passing through was hostile. Nothing would particularly stand out about lots of people transiting after a fireworks display.

You could just as well ask why the crowd out celebrating Mardi Gras in Seattle in 2001 didn't realize a bunch of people in their midst would start a major brawl. Sometimes, when things start, you are already in the epicenter.

I'm all for situational awareness. However, unless you avoid all crowds, there is no way to guarantee a brawl won't break out in any given crowd event you may attend.

Note: In Georgia, where CCW laws are very liberal, I cannot legally carry at an event such as a 4th of July gathering. FWIW.
 
Sorry, I am not buying that. If I am at a celebration or event and a crowd is moving directly my way I am on alert, whether they look dangerous or not. There is a difference between transitioning places and pruposely moving on someone or invading their space. If a large group is moving in my direction my radar goes on alert and I begin looking for a reason and then a way out.

I don't have the choice of concealed carry in Wisconsin so for me being hyper aware is really my only defense when I am in public.
 
You don't have to buy it...

... but you can see similar situations on the news, any given week. So, it happens.

Funny thing about those who think "it can never happen to me." They tend to be grossly unprepared when "it" happens.
 
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