Analysis of Walther P99 vs. Glock compact models

Handy,

My finger and disclipline are my safety, since the P-99 doesn't have one. It is no different than carrying a Glock loaded. If I continue to follow the 4 gun rules, I will be okay.

My reasoning is: The first shot is the absolute most important. I want that shot to be exactly where I intend. For me, the DA first shot tends to go off dead center. I can put the DA shot exactly where I want it if I concentrate and go a little slower. I feel that in the event of a need to use it, God forbid, I will not be disciplined enough to take the extra second to place that shot exactly where I want to. Training under with a timer has proved that to me. I am preparing for the adrenaline rush now before I experience it.

So I decided to get used to SA only. I am faster, more accurate, and I feel more comfortable with it that way.
It may sound risky. I have done numerous dry fire drills and am now comfortable with it in that condition.

One thing Tase with OPS once said in a class was that every time you pick up your sidearm, consider it as training. His point was that every time you pick up your pistol, move. It habituates you to moving when you draw. When you pick it up from the nightstand, move. That was a good point. Every time I touch my P-99, my finger is straight along side until I am on target.
Part of my dry fire drill includes trigger finger discipline. Move up, finger to trigger; move down, finger off.

Every time I touch my P-99 I know\assume it has a round chambered and is cocked. I do not need the loaded chamber indicator on the P-99 because it is always considered loaded until I clear it. Much dry fire and training has gotten me acclimated to it being in condition 0.

Walther did not put a manual safety on it and I don't know what Walthers intentions were, but they won't be with me when I defend my life. I am not a "lawsuit happy" type, so I accept it as my own responsiblity.

I also carry a Kimber 1911 from time to time. It is SAO but has a manual safety. I use the safety on it because 1. it has one 2. it is very easy to disengage 3. that pistol is always SA. Every shot the same trigger pull.

If I always train with DA on my P-99, when shooting SA my training would not be optimized. If I always trained SA and used DA too, my training isn't optimized. If I trained 50\50 DA\SA I am cutting my training per pull in half. If I train and carry 100% SA, then I maximize my training and hopefully have habituated properly to what I will use.

It is a combination of the DA\SA pull and the lack of a manual safety that causes me to carry in Condition 0. I cannot speak to the other model guns because I don't have a lot of time with them and cannot remember how they handle.

I don't know who else, if anybody, is in favor of this type of carry. That doesn't matter. I will be the one on the line if I ever have to start slinging lead, so it is a custom made philosophy based on my experiences on the range, and the physical characteristics of my chosen sidearm.

If I had any of the guns you mention with SAO and a good ergo manual safety I would utilize the safety. If the Walther had a good manual safety, I would use it.

I hope this can clear up my thinking. Although I think I may be the only person in the Universe that can understand my thinking. After all, I don't think too often, it hurts.

Start a thread on Carry Conditions, see what the community think about it. This thread is headed out behind the barn, and I might be going with it.
 
I find the decocker to be in perfect place for me to use my thumb on it. I don't have to shift my hand much at all to decock it. On my regular P99's I carry them decocked. If I knew I was going into "hostile territory" I'd carry it in SATF mode.

Right now I carry my P99QA, so I don't even think about cocked or decocked. :cool:

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Walther is not an improved glock its a glock copy that does not match up.

The trigger on the standard walther is heavy and long in da and about 6 pounds sa. Its a stricker fired gun thats just as spongy as a glock its the nature of the beast.

The Walther recoils more with the same cartridge because the slide sits higher in the hand.

The Walther is the same width in the slide and frame as the glock. The Walthers interchangabel grip feature is nice and the only real improvement.

The Walther is an ok firearm if the one you have is reliable but its not up to the high standard set by glock.
PAT
 
Pat, the Glock is a great gun, but it's obvious that you haven't spent a lot of time with the P99 that you claim to have owned. For you to say some of the things you have, such as your comment about the trigger, demonstrates your lack of any extensive experience with it, and that is causing your credibility to erode in this thread.

Yes, there are some similarities. Both guns are polymer. Both guns are striker fired. Both guns have redundant internal safety features. Both guns have certain actuating levers in similar places. And, both guns shoot a 9mm or .40 caliber bullet. But that's pretty much where it ends. There are only so many places on a gun that you can put things. You might just as easily say that the Glock is just a copy of [insert any gun here: ____], because they both have a slide release in a similar spot.

What, specifically, do you consider "superior standard" to consist of, and where does the P99 fail in those characteristics? I'm curious about your extensive experience in machining, manufacturing, and gunsmithing, that leads you to this conclusion. What specific changes in technology would you consider to qualify as 'dramatic' design revolutions?

I guess this is an example of the old saw "Is the glass half full, or half empty?" I prefer to see the glass as half full.

Frankly, I don't care what anyone shoots, as long as they're happy with it, they shoot it well (and safely), and enjoy it. Buy what makes you happy. I like all guns, Glocks included. That little G26 jammie is the nuts. But I like some more than others. It seems however, that you're on a mission to prove something other than your knowledge of the Walther.

I'm looking forward to an enlightening reply...
 
Tamara wrote:
I'm curious as to how you adjust the width of the P-99 grip. I've figured out how you adjust trigger reach with the swappable backstraps, but the width adjustment still eludes me.
Tamara, I'm sorry. When I posted my reply with the line art drawing, I was in a hurry, and didn't realize you were jesting. Didn't mean to be condescending... just a mistake on my part. I should have said: "Duct tape". :D
 
It has a barrel, a slide, a trigger and a mag release. The Glock was made first, therefore anything that has these components is a copy of the Glock. ;)


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The designers of both the Steyr M-9 and Walther P-99 worked for a certain Austrian pistol company before leaving to design for others.

Methinks Gaston has done himself no favors by running off such obvious talent. The Glock blazed the trail and remains a fine gun, but will eventually be left behind as others refine the concept. They at least need to adopt some manner of modular or adjustable grip, since 99% of folks that don't buy Glocks do so because "it feels like a 2x4".

One innovative design in the early Eighties and then resting on your laurels from there on out just doesn't cut it. Don't believe me? Ask Colt how it felt to sell the horsie off the top of the dome to make ends meet because they haven't had an original idea since John Moses Browning left for Belgium.

...and this is from someone who's been referred to as "The High Priestess of Glock" and "Chief of the Glock Gestapo".
 
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