Analysis of Walther P99 vs. Glock compact models

Golly...

...nobody's attacking your pistol, no need to rush to the defense of the tribe. "The Outsiders are saying bad things about Wongaa-Taa! Muster the villagers!".

You'd've thunk I said Glocks had poopy triggers or that 1911's had some antiquated mechanics or something. :D Good to see the Church of Walther has the same response to any critiques of dogma as the Chuch of Glock and the Church of Browning.

...it must be an overall good handgun.
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I believe I've stated that about a dozen times in the past week. ;)
 
What's a glock,

You can put a decocker anywhere you want. The P7 is a striker gun that is cocked and decocked in the frame. There aren't many other examples out there because strikers have only recently come into favor for non-SA systems. But there is no reason the mechanism can't work through the draw bar in the frame.
 
Interesting point...

...you got there, Handy.

Lendringser used to comment on the ergonomic similarities between his P99 and the P7; grip angle, mag release function and location, low bore axis, slim slide.

If the P99 had somehow included a squeeze-cocker in there, I'd've bought a dozen of the things by now... ;) One, tiny feature away from being the uberpistole of my dreams.
 
Geez Tamara,

What would you want to do to a perfect P7 to make it like a P99?

Unfix the barrel?

Make it less reliable?

More muzzle flip?

Mag release? Oh yeah, Walther already lifted that off HK.

I guess the P7 could be lighter.
 
The P99's cheaper and rust-free.

I'm not insistent on the gas-delayed blowback system of the P7; I think most of its' magic is in its' ergos.

See here.
 
Well, I went to that other string. Okaaaay......


Anyway, why would anybody carry a gun (P99) condition 0?
 
The Quick Action "QA" version is like a Glock.

IMHO, you would always carry it cocked unless you were hyper-safety concious. Then, I would probably just not carry one in the chamber.

I think the decocker comes into play more with the standard DA/SA trigger.
 
OK Handy, I'll bite. The Walther's DA trigger, for me, is long and tedious for me. For me it tended to make that first shot drift a little to the left. It was still in the "kill box", but considering that with the SA trigger pull I could shoot the iris out of the target guys eye , and almost make every hole touch the one before it. I just prefer the SA pull to the DA pull. That eliminates having to habituate to 2 trigger pulls. I always feared that in the heat of the moment the DA trigger would cause me to drift even more. I have found it easier to habituate to one trigger action, the SA. That is just me. Carrying cocked and locked takes a lot of discipline. I have developed that disclipline. Now watch me go and pop an AD.

Regarding the "protruding" mag release. The mag release is inset into the trigger guard. The outside of the mag release is flush with the trigger guard. Neither the outside, the top or bottom protrude in any way. It is completed covered by the trigger guard. It also sits inside the kidney cuts in the grip. The only protruding items on the P-99 are the grip and the sights.

I almost resent you making false accusations about my tribe.:D I don't get the line about the "Church of Walther" having the same response to attacks. Could that be because we didn't submit to your opinion that all controls should be operable with one hand? Ever tried steel toed shoes?

I may be prejudiced but it seems the COW is more dealing with facts and not throwing around the key words "rule", "suck", "crap", "junk" etc. So it is a little unfair to lump us in with the COG. We are a classier group, the only ones going to heaven. hehehehe

Now that I have pointed out the facts about the mag release, will you consider that the COW defending against an attack, or merely stating correct facts. After all the title of this thread says "analysis". Can't have incorrect info in an analysis. You could not have known the mag release does not protrude without owning one.

I have to get back to work!
 
Got you on the QA version. It's Kahr-like.

I believe P99-er was talking about carrying a standard, decocker P99 in condition 0. That is what I'm curious about.
 
I think only that first paragraph was intended for me.

P99-er, cocked and locked does take a lot of discipline. That's called condition 1 carry. You are carrying cocked and UNlocked or condition 0. I have never heard anyone suggest this as a viable method and is likely not the intention of the manufactorer. Could you explain more about the safety aspects of this method and who else is in favor of it?

Also, would you carry a Sig, Beretta, etc. in this manner?
 
P-99er,

You do know that I've filled out plenty of 4473's on P-99's, right? (as the seller, not buyer) That I had one in the house for several months, right?

Why're you trying to explain to me what the mag catch looks like? I know what it looks like. I also know that the HK-clone paddle mag release versus a conventional button substitutes one evil for another. TANSTAAFL.

I'll walk out of this prayer meeting now; true believers can so rarely look objectively at their own faith. ;)
 
...on the other hand, the location of that decocker is an abomination on a pistol that has such sweet ergonomics otherwise. What were they thinking? Did the lead designer go to lunch? "Vell, Fritz, almost done am I mit der new pistole. I'm going to fetch a bratwurst and a beer, just pencil in a place for the decocker und meet me at the biergarten, ja?" He leaves, and the junior woodchuck engineer just scribbles something on top of the slide, grabs his coat, and bolts after his boss for some vittles.
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Occasionally, my desire to be intellectually stimulated on a gun forum is satisfied by someone worthy of the designation "peer".

Not only cerebrally satisfying, but quite humorous as well.

Thank you ;)
 
Tamara just brought up that Church of Walther thing because she didn't have a good comeback to her (mistaken, IMHO) decocker location statement.

I have a Walther P99 and I like it (and I especially like the ambidextrous mag release buttons - lets me use my index finger instead of thumb).

That being said I am no church of Walther member. If something better were to come along in the handgun market - I am about as loyal as a dog in heat.
 
Hey guys,

Like you said everyone's entitled to their opinions and this is a discussion forum..Correct me if I am wrong..

Anyway the Walther decocker is nice but as stated it can be difficult to depress one-handed. For some it is a big deal,for others irrelevant..Choices, heh.

The decocker on the QA is not for decocking the pistol but for takedown. The QA is a DAO trigger so why would anyone want to decock it..

Finally, quite often in combat situations when the adrenaline is pumping it helps your cause to go to a longer, harder trigger pull.. to reduce the possibility of your trembling and twitching discharging the firearm.

See ya!
 
A couple things to consider that I didn't see mentioned:

1 Glocks and P99 are now about the same price

2 New Glocks can not be sold in some states where a New P99 can


We can't always talk about absolutes-- this better than that.

Circumstances can lead to different choices. Here in MA a used pre-98 Glock might cost you more than a NIB P99.
 
I hope you are not thin skinned. In the written word voice inflection and tone aren't obvious. I mean this in the purist form of "gotcha jest" I hope you don't take it too personal, just a little personal. :)

You do know that I've filled out plenty of 4473's on P-99's, right? (as the seller, not buyer) That I had one in the house for several months, right
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No ma'am I didn't know that. I do remember that your roomie had a P-99 and you used to dry fire it a lot. Of course reading your expert opinion regarding the P-99's "Protruding" mag release did not make that fact very obvious. In fact, it made quite the opposite apparent. The opposite being that you don't have a clue about the physical characteristics of the P-99. :confused:

The mag release does not stick out. It doesn't matter how many 4473's, w-4's, 1099's, MDR 2459's, 379809B, 1040, 1040A..... or any other forms you may have filled out. Those forms do not make the mag release stick out. Sorry, it just aint so. ;) Now the sights are a different story, they protrude.

I'm sorry, I was wrong. My definition of protrude is wrong. I always thought protrude must mean "stick out". Protrude obviously means "is flush", because you have filled out so many forms, after all you would know. Who am I to say it doesn't protrude when I don't fill out all those forms. I only carry one every day and shoot it a few times a month. :D

Maybe it was this:

"Vell, Fritz, almost done am I mit der new pistole. I'm going to fetch a bratwurst and a beer, just pencil in a place for the decocker und meet me at the biergarten, ja? Vake zure ze mag verlease pertrudes, ze wudn't vant itz zo be flush"

I will go zit in der corner now
 
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In fact, it made quite the opposite apparent. The opposite being that you don't have a clue about the physical characteristics of the P-99.
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Uh oh.........just wanted to get that in before the lock is applied to the thread :D
 
She isn't like that. If she was I wouldn't have picked at her like that. I think you may be confusing TFL with another forum.

But I am holding my breath. We shall see.
 
Ahhhhh.....excellent strategy P99-er. Those of us in the Gallery await the next move with eager anticipation. Who will it be? :eek:
 
P99-er,

Cocked and locked does take a lot of discipline. That's called condition 1 carry. You are carrying cocked and UNlocked or condition 0. I have never heard anyone suggest this as a viable method and is likely not the intention of the manufactorer. Could you explain more about the safety aspects of this method and who else is in favor of it?

Also, would you carry a Sig, Beretta, etc. in this manner?
 
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