An unknown gun?Pls check it.

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pksu

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Hi Experts
I am from China.WW1 and WW2 were happend in our land.This gun was left by my grandfather.He was also know few of gun. Now I am owning this gun,I want to know further about it.Counld you tell me anything that you know or give me some key information.

Look forward to your reply.
Many Thanks!


the link of the gun pictures: http://tinypic.com/useralbum.php?ua=E7loMrZNi6ETaX7TbGWmhw==
 
Wow, that is very strange. I have never seen a bolt-action double-barreled shotgun before (although the bolts seem to act as breechplugs more than bolts). Can you post a photo of the bolts out of the gun?

I can't get the bigger photos to load, so it's tough to say for sure, but it looks like it has a mixture of Russian and English writing on it, maybe other languages as well.

Very very odd.

Looks like it could be homemade.

Thanks for sharing, it is a very unique item. Hopefully somebody here knows more about it than I do.
 
No, punt guns are enormous shotguns used for commercial hunting. They tend to be the size of small cannons, and are usually mounted on boats.

That one is a much smaller shotgun of the traditional shoulder-fired type.

Do you know what gauge it is? If you could measure the bore somebody could probably tell you what shells it takes (you may not want to fire it, but knowing more is always good).

13 seconds into this video, you will see a punt gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7FeeamC4qk
 
length 172CM Weight 16KG
How to measure the gauge?The gauge of this gun is much bigger than my finger.
 
Wait... 16 kilos?!?!

That's pretty hefty, and much larger than I could tell from the photos.

It may not quite be a punt gun by the traditional definition. I don't really know the line where "huge shotgun" turns into "punt gun", but I can understand why someone would call it that.

Which finger are you talking about? If it is much bigger than your thumb, it takes some very big shells. I'm guessing 8 gauge or larger, but you would have to measure.

Just measure from one inside edge to the other inside edge of the barrel. Milimeters or CM would work as you seem to be on the metric side of things, but inches would work too.
 
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172 CM is about 5 feet 8 inches long.

That sounds like it will have a big bore.
Maybe that's big enough to shoot an elephant?
The gauge stands for how many balls of bore size can be cast from 1 pound of lead. A 4 bore would make 4 bore size balls from 1 pound of lead.

Now days there are standard measurements for gauge based on this old English system.
 
I finally got your bigger photos to load and this one is interesting. It appears to be ammunition instructions, but I have no idea what this "K" measurement is. Whatever it is, I think it takes a 50 k-weight solid shot, 5 Ks of blackpowder, or 3 Ks of "non-r powder" which may be some kind of early smokeless powder.

Did your grandfather ever hunt tigers? Or elephant?

NO TWIN FIRE! (don't fire both barrels at the same time). Very sound advice.:D

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one inside edge to the other inside edge is about 7CM.
I want to say its's behind the butt of a secret hiding places. spin two screws to open it, put a little blackpowder inside with Oilpaper .
 
Wow! That is HUGE!

From what I have found searching around the internet, that's somewhere between a "half bore" and "AA bore" gun, which is bigger than anything I have ever heard of being shoulder-fired.

Is there rifling (spiral grooves) in the barrels?

The bolts look kind of like they are from Arisaka rifles (Japanese, world war two).
 
If someone pointed THAT at me....

I'd be stopping real quick and puttin' my hands up as far as I could get 'em :eek:

A friend of mine (a local gun dealer) has a blown up old black & white photo, framed on his wall, of his mate firing a 4 ball off his shoulder :eek: The guy is on one foot, (front foot off the ground) the gun is aiming up in the air (vertical) with the muzzle flash visible :eek: Evidently the guy broke his nose and dislocated his thumb as he fell flat on his back :D

The gun in the pictures here, looks like it might have been something the Chinese from long ago, made for their own use, maybe hunting, but possibly military/navy? Can you post a picture with something to give us an idea of its dimentions? Like a breifcase (or a tape measure?)

Interesting, to say the least :D
 
That 12 and the circles on the bottom plate make me think it is a 12ga I think our mate measured between the barrels (inside of on to inside of other and got confused between 7 centimeters & 7 millimeters? Looking at the size of the triggers and the size of the barrels, it does look alot like a 12 ga? The bore size is definately not 7 centimeters/ 2 1/2"?

measure again the size of the hole the bullet goes in at the end of one of the barrels? Is it about 17mm?

Can you take it to a gunshop? or do you have to hide the fact you own the gun now? Maybe a gun shop or museum (especially a 'War Museum') could help you identify it? If I were you, i would not be firing it, but would get a valueation on it, it might be worth ALOT of money.... like that square bullet musket from a while back

I also think the gun is alot older than WW2 I reckon more like WW1 or before that even?
 
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There is no gunshop in my country. I had to help forume users to know the truth, perhaps a number of gun-lovers will figure it out.
7CM is two pipes together.Maybe 3.2CM one bore!!



To Dingoboyx: What does "If I were you, i would not be firing it, but would get a valueation on it" mean?
 
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A 7cm bore diameter would correspond to something larger than a quarter bore. In other words, a lead ball of muzzle diameter would weigh over 4lbs--about 4.49lbs.

The writing is English but looks like it has been copied by someone who read no or very little English. It's hard to know what's been lost in the copying process as a result.
 
Pu jidao...

Is the stamped "Xinhua" (lit. "New China," but also a province, as well as a popular corporate name) a manufacturer's mark or an armory mark?
 
Is nothing else except a punt gun ? These are two words called my gun.1:is a small punt gun. 2: is a homemade shotgun.I think the second is much more accurate.But I think it's not Made in China.We don't have that made skill in early 1900's.I think Europe or Soviet Union is much more suitable.What do you think?
 
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