Ammo went up again

You didn't offend. What you said was wrong however.

Commodities of metals has dropped. Oil has dropped. Growth is slowing and only growing in the BRIC-even they are slowing. It is not the US president's fault that a gas company is still charging you the same. It is not the president's fault that ammo is staying the same or going up.

That is square in the fault of demand (which there is less of) so it is the companies sticking it to you.

So if you had said Federal or Shell suck and it is their fault you would have been more correct.

Here is some reading on the issue of commodities dumping.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-in-18-months-on-concern-economy-weakens.html

“The momentum to global growth is running out of steam, and easy money is drying up. It’s really hard to imagine strong demand for industrial commodities such as copper, aluminum and zinc in the second half.”
 
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I've been shooting a lot of Tula 9mm out of my Glock 26. It works flawlessly. Kind of dirty. Takes extra effort to clean it up.
 
I recommend you buy bulk while it is still there.
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Good advice. I recommend you get as many shooting buddies together as geographically possible for your location and start an "ammo club." I have done this with four other guys. This past weekend four of us went to a local gun show (one of the guys couldn't make it) and we negotiated a smokin' deal on .45 ACP FMJ ammo....not cheap, junkie ammo. Good, factory new range ammo. We bought 4 cases (4000 rounds) of it.

The prices keep going up and it is becoming increasingly more difficult to get affordable ammo so we are stocking up whenever we find we can wheel and deal. Luckily for us, the five of us shoot mostly the same stuff, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum, and .223/5.56.

During the week, we spread out. I search the Internet auctions and Ammo sites. Another guy checks out gun stores during his day on the road. While yet another guy stops at anyplace that sells ammo during his travels, so forth and so on. If someone finds a great deal, he buys as much as he can carry and we split it amongst the "club."

It takes time and it takes patience and an ability to negotiate but most of all, it take ready cash....thus the advantage of pooling assets.

We are pretty much in agreement that if the prices go up much more, we may pool resources and buy reloading equipment. A couple of guys have done that in the past and will be happy to share their expertise with those of us that have not. Between the five of us, we easily shoot 1000 rounds or more per week.
 
It is not the US president's fault that a gas company is still charging you the same. It is not the president's fault that ammo is staying the same or going up.

That is square in the fault of demand (which there is less of) so it is the companies sticking it to you.
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No they aren't - an y more than an ammo company is - called WORLD markets - if you really think that Shell, Exxon, or Remington or Federal set commodity prices on world-wide goods, you are mistaken and misinformed. As to gas, take a look at the taxes on a gallon of gas - the Federal government makes ten times what the oil company does in profits - and it doesn't matter what the price is, the tax remains high even when the price goes down. They also lose money when ammo and other sporting goods drop in price as there is that "voluntary" 11% excise tax on sporting goods we pay
 
Inexpensive ammo

Yeah, I saw where Walmart increased its price on 9mm ammo. But DiscountPocketPistols.info is selling new brass 9mm fmj 115 gr ammo for $9.95 (box of 50) plus free shipping on three or more boxes. The brand is Reliant Ammo, which is made in the USA by a company that makes machines that make some CCI and Federal ammo. The seller guarantees it will fire. :)
 
That isn't what I said at all. I DID NOT say ammo manufactures are setting commodity prices. Where did you even get that?

I said the price of commodities is dropping & demand is low. There is no reason for it to become more expensive now.

The ammo companies are sticking it to us while they buy cheaper raw material. Why the back lash? Look at the commodities market which anyone can.;)
 
White box Winchester was still ~$25 per hundred at Wally-world. All 38 Spec, 357 Mag and 45 ACP was OOS.
 
bought 3 boxes today @ $11.97 ea

I think it is the fault of the president and the one before. Bush pushed for stimulus 1 and Obama 2 & 3. Now when the fed prints money all products cost more. Our dollar is a joke in Europe. A very sad time for all those still looking for jobs. All politicians are a cancer on this country, and the tumor has been growing. Sorry don't like to get into politics, but they boil the blood.
 
WWB 9mm in Wal Mart here was $19.97 per 100 for a long time. It is $21.97 now. 45 .acp is $31.97 per 100 here.
 
I think the politicians as a whole need to be blamed. The last balanced budget we had was in 1994/1995?. If our dollar gets devalued that means it buy less ammo for our firearms.
 
The real reason in my opinion, it's not that ammo is getting expensive, it's that our dollar is getting more worthless everyday. Metals prices have been rising i.e. lead etc., and shipping costs have gone up due to gas prices. Why is this all happening?

In international markets and in general the dollar is getting weaker for trading. Sure there might be some greed factor and what not involved in why a lot of things like ammo are getting more expensive, executive pay and shareholders wanting their returns etc. coupled with a greedy government wanting their taxes to pay big political salaries etc. etc. The bulk of the problem though I feel is THE DOLLAR ITSELF, which indirectly is probably due to an inept, over extended, and probably greedy and corrupt government.

This is why I think as I have said on here and to my friends "There's no better investment than guns and ammo". Ammo is almost becoming like it's own currency. Also the government may be making it HARDER to get deliberately or not. (not saying that this is true for sure) I'm just saying maybe.

On top of that the unsure times are causing people to hoard guns, gold, silver, and yes ammo. Can you blame them? Harsh economic times may cause prices to rise, or the government may restrict guns and ammo more like they did when that nut-job fake democrat Bill Clinton was in office. This also leads to another great investment. Magazines. MAGAZINES That hold more than 10 and preferably 15 rounds may become highly coveted again. BUY THEM any and every chance you can get.

So to rehash why it's getting expensive

1. Worthless Dollar creating higher shipping costs.
2. People hoarding because of economic disaster and or fear of government issues/intervention.
3. The government may be intentionally or unintentionally making it harder for ammo makers because they don't want civilians buying so much of it.
4. Corporate and government greed.

There you have it. With all the craziness these days combined I'm surprised ammo isn't more expensive than it is.
 
I invested in an ammo hord that will last me my life time and my kids too. I don't have the desire to sit on my butt for hours loading ammo just to save a few cents.
Surplus also has the advantage of being sealed in cans also.
 
You do have a point MB2, investing in an ammo hord should make times of cartridge famines easier to handle.

Reloading I suppose could be just sitting on your butt, I believe however for the majority it's a more spiritual, zen like activity. Creating art, the perfect cast bullet combined with the right powder and case combo. The thrill of your progeny zipping along into the heart or head (headshots are always fun due to the floppability quotient) of whatever luckless varmint you happen upon...Ah, the joy.

Besides its tough finding steel cased 32/20 ammo in spam cans, and I might add it's more than just a few cents savings.
 
UNBELIEVABLE. I post over and over that commodity components of ammo is going down and yet people followed up saying it it rising and blaiming politicians.

Commodities are going down. DOWN. Like...lower cost of raw material.

Ammo should be cheaper not higher. We are getting ripped off.
 
Interesting to see how ammo prices compare in the US and UK. I bought 100 rounds of 9mm blazer brass today it cost £22 and around £30 for .45
 
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With all these new raised shipping cost and new stricter regulations put on Ammunition. It will reflect on the priceing and availiability.

The Federal Goverment has found a way to minimize ammunition availiability......Costly Shipping Restrictions/Regulations on Hazerdous Materials. A lot of smaller gun shops will not be able to afford carring ammo.
 
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