Ammo WAY too loud, what happened?

Well, not really

if you are aware of it anyplace other than a sound proof room, the condition indicates some kind of pathology; it is abnormal

1 - None of us will ever be in a sound proof room as that would be in a vacuum. In reality, sound booths for hearing tests only serve to attenuate sounds - They are not and cannot be sound proof - You see - you would die in a sound proof room!

2 - Tinnitis is almost always due to some form of pathology (and I don't mean a tumor), unfortunatley, it is not well understood and even worse treatment options are limited. We try everything from counseling to masking and noise retraining - Results vary and are limited - You should always consult an experience otolaryngologist if tinnitis is persistent.
 
My "itis" ear ringing thing we all have a tiny bit of...
Just so you know, we don't all have that. I know I don't. It is not a good sign.

As far as giving the ear protection to the youngest first "in times of forgetfulness," I have a better idea: don't shoot that day. If I were to find that I had forgotten my hearing protection, I would not shoot. Period. It is not worth it. You will lose hearing, and you will not get it back. Ever.

Based on the experiences and practices you relate here, if you were to get a hearing test done, I suspect you would be surprised to find out how very degraded your hearing is.
 
My "itis" ear ringing thing we all have a tiny bit of...
We do NOT all have a tiny bit of tinnitus. If you have it, it is telling you that you have permanent hearing damage whether you think you do or not.
My theory is that I have a built in protection that some ears do not.
Some are less susceptible than others, but if you're having ringing in your ears you don't have any built in protection that's actually preventing hearing damage.

Hearing damage is cumulative, by the way--eventually you'll be forced to abandon your personal theory if you continue as you have been.

Or you could follow this advice to find out now before things get worse.
...if you were to get a hearing test done, I suspect you would be surprised to find out how very degraded your hearing is.
 
I'm in my 20's so it's definitely not age.

Don't be so quick to discount it. I'm in my early 20's (22) and am suffering from hearing issues. While much of it may be hereditary (my dad and grandfather are the same way), I suspect that my share of shooting (some of it without hearing protection), air hammers, and loud exshausts may also be contributing factors.
 
I fire the weapon with this ammo fairly regularly with and without hearing protection and have never had any problems with the noise before.

For you: Go to the doctors, have your hearing checked.

For the firearm: Have someone who knows what they are doing inspect the gun and ammo for any signs of overpressure and so forth.

But what little .357 SIG I've fired was just damned loud period!

Earplugs are light... cheap... take up no room. There's no reason not to have sets stashed in a car or truck, in a briefcase, wherever you might need them.
Precisely. I have a small packet of foam plugs in each vehicle glovebox, my work briefcase, and a few other places. Usually they get used for restaurants with bands playing too loud. :)
 
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Precisely. I have a small packet of foam plugs in each vehicle glovebox, my work briefcase, and a few other places. Usually they get used for restaurants with bands playing too loud.
Yup... mine tend to come out of the bag in movie theaters... :D
 
Use the earplugs as has been suggested. I spent a lot of years in "high noise areas" and never failed to use single or double protection. Last hearing test I had, the audiologist looked at my background (artillery), my age (50) and said if he hadn't run the test he would have thought the machine was out of calibration. Once you lose it, it doesn't come back.
 
what happened?

1) 357sig is real loud
2) damage accumulates and accelerates. - each time you damage your ears
the damage gets not just worse, but much worse.
3) old age - you're 20, but now your ears are 40 from the damage. Learn to say "Huh?" a lot or learn to stuff your ears before a 'mercy shot'. Hunk of Tshirt, snot rag or even wadded up leaves are better than deafness.

If you were hearing voices like they were distorted from a ripped speaker, that's a BAD sign. It may get a bit better, but it's what you will be hearing all the time in 20 years.
 
The only time you should ever fire a gun without hearing protection is in an immediate self-defense situation, where if you stopped to put on hearing protection, you would be killed.

In any other situation, there is absolutely no reason nor excuse to not wear ear protection. Even a .22 LR fired from a full-length rifle will cause hearing damage, and you are regularly firing a handgun chambered for .357 SIG without hearing protection?

You almost certainly have already caused permanent damage to your hearing. From this point forward, please wear hearing protection, every single time.

If you have been firing without hearing protection, it would probably be safe to assume that you have been firing without eye protection either. Like hearing protection, the only time that not wearing eye protection is acceptable is when your life is in immediate danger. Eye and ear protection must be worn at all other times without any exception.
 
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I carry ear muffs in my cruiser and put them on if I have to put down a deer. My hearing is poor already and I don't want it getting any worse.
 
if you have bullets then you have defacto earplugs. Just pull two out of your magazine and pop them in your ears. I have done this on more then a few occassions when I forgot to bring hearing protection.
 
All very well, but could the round actually have been louder than normal? Yes, it is possible. Factory rounds have been known to have overloads (rare but it has happened). If the cartridge case could be recovered, it might be possible to determine if the pressure was higher than normal. I would also examine the gun for any damage that an overload might have caused.

Jim ("Sorry, what was that you said?")
 
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Firing a gun inside a house, or in a car makes the sound seem tremendously louder. In reality it isn't, but it seems like it to us, because the sound is reflected back to our ears differently.

That turns out not to be the case... in an indoor space, sound pressure level is the sum of the direct and reverberant sound. Increases of 10 db SPL aren't unusual, which is to say that the actual acoustic energy in a space with hard, reflective walls can be more than double that of the same sound source in a non-reverberant environment...

The sound actually is "tremendously louder," with predictable effects on the (unprotected) ear.

I suppose its all in how you measure (and describe) it. All the energy is what comes out of the muzzle. Reflected sound adds to what the ear "hears", but not to the actual "sound" (energy) of the muzzle blast itself. Just as the position of the muzzle, relative to the ear changes what the ear hears, but doesn't change what comes out of the muzzle at all.

Gunshots in enclosed spaces are MUCH worse than in the open, I can attest from painful personal experience. If there is one thing that really bugs me about firearms as depicted in our entertainment media (above and beyond dangerously sloppy gun handling) it is the fact that they completely ignore the real world effects of gunshots. How many times have you seen actors "firing" inside a buiding, room, hallway, etc, and then talking in normal conversational tones, or even whispering (and being heard) all without any ear protection at all? Just not even close to real.
 
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I suppose its all in how you measure (and describe) it. All the energy is what comes out of the muzzle. Reflected sound adds to what the ear "hears", but not to the actual "sound" (energy) of the muzzle blast itself. Just as the position of the muzzle, relative to the ear changes what the ear hears, but doesn't change what comes out of the muzzle at all.
You're right that all the energy comes originally from the muzzle blast, but the point is that some of the energy is reflected back into the room, instead of dissipating into open air, as it does outside. The reflections add to the acoustic energy reaching your ears. In the case of an impulse noise such a gunshot, you get a set of reflected impulses which are less intense than the direct sound -- but they can still be intense enough to damage your hearing, depending on the size of the room and the reflective properties of the walls.

If you're firing a handgun with a muzzle blast that measures 165 dB in a small room with reflective walls, ceiling, and floor, that's going to produce six reflected impulses within a few milliseconds of the direct sound; if the reflected impulses each measure around 150 dB, which is entirely possible, your ears have now been exposed to seven potentially damaging acoustic events instead of just one, and to the extent that the impulses overlap when they reach your ears, they'll act like a single, more intense acoustic event, and the SPL will be the sum of their acoustic energy, and so even higher, with more potential for hearing damage. Ouch.

The fact that you're not aware of the reflected sounds as a series of echoes doesn't mean they're not there. The auditory system filters echoes within a few milliseconds of the original sound, and you perceive only the original sound source. This is what enables you to locate sound sources in a reverberant environment. But this filtering happens at the level of the brain, so there's no protective effect in the cochlea. (This is called the precedence effect, and isn't the same thing as auditory exclusion.)

It's no different from a ricochet. A bullet that bounces off a hard surface can still have enough kinetic energy to injure you, and reflected sound can have enough acoustic energy to damage your ears.

The damaging effect of noise is cumulative: exposure to several intense acoustic events is more harmful than exposure to just one, and a longer event will do more damage than a short one of the same intensity. It makes no difference to your ears if these events are direct, from the original sound source, or reflected.
 
Take it from me, I'm 48 and my hearing is almost done from loud concerts, loud factories and mostly shooting unprotected. The ringing is so bad some days I have to put on headphones and jam music to keep from going nuts. And it ain't never going away.

The 357sig is NOT the pistol to shoot unprotected, been there and done that.

Wear hearing protection or in 20 years get used to saying 'huh' a lot.
 
You don't need to buy earplugs, just get some hillbilly earplugs for free- Step one, fire two rounds of 357 Sig. Step two- Pick up the brass, and stick them in your ears. YOu can do the same with rifle ammo, after it cools down. Just that you will look like a fool with those long pieces of brass hanging out of your ears, or they might think you are hardcore.
 
Worse than that is that tinnitis cannot be cured with a hearing aid.Mine comes and goes ,seems to worsen as the day goes on.The other day while shopping at Walmart, I came across a homeopathic remedy called Ring Relief,ear drops that actually seem to improve my tinnitis.Mine are not that bothersome at low frequencies but when they go high, will drive you crazy.BTW that stuff is expensive, $10+ for 1/2 oz.Thursday I went to my daughters for Thanksgiving dinner and had perfect hearing for the entire afternoon.
 
.357shooter:
Probably nothing went wrong, atmospheric conditions---closeness to objects---sound bounced off the deer and ground? Who knows.
 
BTW that stuff is expensive, $10+ for 1/2 oz.Thursday I went to my daughters for Thanksgiving dinner and had perfect hearing for the entire afternoon.
Pretty cool, I'm gonna have to look for it. Hopefully the exp date is generous on it.
 
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