If the handgun is pulled away from your attacker's body, then any rounds you fire will not strike your attacker and will do you no good.
really? so if i'm more than 2 inches away from my target my bullets will disintegrate? that's a very good thing to know, i will take that into account in case i am ever attacked while carrying
It is possible that the only way to get the gun on target (a vital area of the attackers body) is to press the muzzle against him.
if there's a guy getting ready to stab me i'm honestly just trying to shoot him anywhere i possibly can
and regardless of this, you still haven't posted a situation where i HAVE to push pistol into the attacker's midsection and CAN'T move my hand a few millimeters back
Why then are you not carrying the 33-round magazine or any of the other items that you deemed "excessive" in your previous post?
because, and maybe i'm just not looking in the right place or something, i can't find a legal rocket launcher nor a holster to properly conceal it wearing my normal clothing
not to mention that if i have to use a weapon with a 33 round magazine, i'm concerned with the fact that a prosecutor may say 'look, there's no reason for all those rounds, he was looking for trouble!!'
it's the same reason i'd never carry a reload...
'look, he spent time measuring the powder and casting the bullet so it did the most damage, he's blood thirsty!!'
do i agree with either of those stances? not at all, but it's something a prosecutor could present...
Besides the concerns about a contact shot, a revolver also presents me with less likelihood of malfunction induced by a weak or improper grip (shooting with a weak or injured hand), the extra power (penetration specifically) of the cartridges offered in a revolver is advantageous to me given the size of the individuals I'm most likely to be attacked by, my choice of revolvers (S&W) allows me to have multiple guns in multiple sizes and cartridges that all offer the exact same manual of arms thereby simplifying my training, and finally a revolver is less expensive and easier for me to handload ammunition for which both reduces the cost and increases the volume of my training. Are those enough reasons for you?
you're right about the weak grip, you're right about penetration, and you're right about the manual of arms
all of those are completely valid points
As I explained above, contact shots are not the only reason I choose a revolver. However, even if they were, the revolver is a better choice for me because a contact shot is a much more likely situation for me to find myself in than any which would make the semi-auto a better choice.
yet you still haven't shown where you'd NEED to perform a contact shot (more specifically a contact shot that requires you to shove the barrel 4" deep into a guy's side)
An assailant's hand can push a semi-auto slide out of battery just as easily as it can prevent a cylinder from rotating. Neither platform has an advantage in this situation.
except, just like a contact shot, all i have to do to stop the guy from pushing the slide back is move the gun back a few millimeters
A revolver can chamber more powerful cartridges for a given size firearm, a revolver is less susceptible to grip-induced malfunction, a revolver can reliably function with a wider variety of ammunition, a revolver is not susceptible to lost or damage magazines, and a revolver is less susceptible to malfunction from being fired inside or underneath a cover garment. Every singe one of those advantages, by themselves alone, could under the right circumstances make a revolver a better choice than a semi-automatic. That is not to say that a semi-auto doesn't have distinct advantages of its own that would make it a better choice for other situations, but to say that a semi-auto is the best choice for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of circumstances is not correct. For nearly every advantage that one platform has the other has a different but equally significant advantage.
so basically you've said the three reasons that i said were valid earlier in this post, as well as size and 'maybe i'll have to shoot it from my pocket'?
i know it's not the same for everyone, but i'd not be carrying a pocket semi, so the 'covered in fabric' thing doesn't really apply to me
and i personally, for weight reasons, don't see myself carrying an extra magazine, so the 'lost magazine' isn't an issue for me
the damaged magazine is, i guess, but they'd have to crush my hand to damage it, in which case there's no point in having a working pistol since i'd not be able to work it anyway
Stating what is likely and stating what certainly will or will not be are two different things. It seems to me that stating you'll never be in a situation that forces you to take a contact shot comes much closer to prediction of the future than my own statements.
i'm stating that i cannot imagine a situation where i don't already have a broken wrist that i'll not be able to move my hand back 1/16" and pull the trigger
and given the fact that i've asked you twice already, it doesn't appear that you can think of one either
plus, a semi will work just fine in a contact shot, just not one where it's pressed into something soft enough to form around the barrel yet stiff enough to push the slide back
i can push this Sig as hard as i can into this table and my hammer still drops...
Well I certainly hope that works out for you. However, my circumstances dictate that I'm most likely to be attacked by an individual so large that I may not have the physical strength to get him off of me. Just because you are or are not able to do something doesn't me that I can or cannot do the same thing.
as i said before, if you're most worried about a giant jumping on top of you, perhaps you should look into some training as to how to get the giant off of you
it's not about strength, it's about leverage
poke him in one side, his reflex is to move to the other side to avoid the poking.......that puts him off balance, just keep pushing him and he should roll off, enough to pull the pistol back a short distance at least
that is, of course, if you're not using those magic disintigrating bullets
There is no way you can know that because you don't know me, my circumstances, or what situation I may find myself in. I've not tried to tell you or anyone else that they're inadequately armed for all but one specific circumstance, I would suggest that you do likewise.
it doesn't matter what situation you're in
logic, which is something you're apparently adverse to, states that the more tries you have, the more likely you are to succeed once
if i have more tries than you, i'm probably going to get better results than you are
am i ALWAYS going to get better results because i have more tries? no, there's a chance you'd do better
but again, logic states that the more holes you put in something, the faster it's going to bleed (which doesn't equate to stopping the threat, revolver calibers like .357 and .44MAG undoubtedly penetrate better than semi cartridges)
so if i have the chance to put 10 penny-size holes that are going to be 8-9" deep, i'm okay with not getting that extra 1-2" deep from the slightly-smaller diameter hole
as i've said before, i don't care what your actual choice is, i can't tell you that it's 'wrong' because it's an opinion, but you've still only presented one situation where a semi wouldn't perform only slightly worse than a revolver, which is solved by simply moving the gun
but until you provide actual reasons that a semi wouldn't function in a likely situation (barring malfunctions, because semis are MUCH more susceptible to that) then you can't say it's a 'better' choice to carry a revolver, you can just say you 'prefer' it
While an interesting story, that is nothing more than anecdotal an does not prove or disprove anything. Had your friend simply displayed a firearm of his own, his attackers might have run away, but that doesn't prove that the mere display of a gun will always end an attack.
the point of the story was, you can't always avoid violence, even from large groups of people, and that just because your potential attackers are smaller than you doesn't mean they won't attack you
and i think that if he had presented a weapon, the guy holding the revolver would of probably shot him in the back...
My size alone is not the only reason that I chose the gun I did. However, multiple-attackers are extremely rare in my area and those I frequent. It has been my experience that when a single individual attacks another single individual, the attacker typically chooses a target that he perceives as weaker than himself. While nothing is guaranteed, this means that I will much more likely be attacked by a very large individual so that is the situation that I am optimally prepared for. When I feel that that likelihood may be different, such as when I travel to an unfamiliar area, I often adjust my choice of firearm appropriately (typically a revolver on my person and a full-sized semi-auto in my vehicle).
i didn't say nor imply that your size influenced your choice of carry weapon
the paragraph you quoted was meant to go with the story i told, that just because you're a big guy, that doesn't mean that your attacker is going to be a bigger guy than you
offenders are more likely to target a victim that looks like an easy mark, that's true, but that doesn't mean the skinny guy's not going to run up to you at a stop light thinking 'even if that big guy has a gun, he won't be able to get to it before i make him get out of the car'
you're planning on the fact that a bigger guy is going to attack you because you're bigger, and because of that, you want a pistol with more penetration (that makes sense)......but you're admittedly sacrificing things to be able to carry that pistol with more penetration, so if you get attacked by someone who isn't a big person, you've made those sacrifices needlessly
again, that's an 'if', but the whole premise of CCW operates on 'if's
As I've already stated, there are more factors at play than capacity and size/weight. Unfortunately, you seem to be so wedded to your platform of choice that you are unable or unwilling to consider that.
i'm not married to anything...
i'm not even adverse to actually carrying a revolver, 5-6 shots is better than 0 shots, and i'm actually looking to buy a Smith 360 for carry purposes
but that doesn't change the fact that, for me, the only reasons to limit the number of shots i have is size/weight
as i've stated before, logic states that the more holes in something, the faster it bleeds out
these handgun cartridges are designed to penetrate at least 10", i'm willing to admit they won't perform optimally in every situation, but even in a fairly large person, if it goes in 6-8" it's going to hit a vital organ, especially in that 'contact shot' situation you're so fond of since it's not going to be going through an arm or leg first
just because i say that a semi is the best choice for most peoples' daily situations, because i genuinely believe that it is and i'll tell you why in a few sentences, doesn't mean that i think revolvers are 'bad' or 'crappy' choices, just that they're not optimal choices for most people
fact is, most people won't be attacked at all, but if you're going to plan for a situation where you are attacked, logically you should create the most all-inclusive plan that you can
the great majority of people don't train specifically for these things (myself included), they don't do 'stress' training, they just target shoot religiously and think that the SD situation is going to be the same as that
since they don't train specifically for that, they're more than likely going to throw a few rounds here and there, either missing the target completely or not getting an optimal hit, i.e. a shoulder or thigh hit
if you're planning logically, admitting that you're not going to always shoot perfectly and that you want to plan for that fact, you're going to want to give yourself the largest margin of error possible, which is afforded to you not by a more powerful round, but by that 2-3 times more ammo the semi carries
nobody thinks that revolvers are necessarily 'inferior' firearms, just they're not optimal for the VAST majority of people for the simple reason of not providing as much room for the most likely mistake
. Just an opinion based on what I've actually seen and experienced in 55 years - so be easy on me and don't shoot!!