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"Typical Demosocialist tantrum."

Ok, how about this, then, from a hard-core Republican?

McCarthy was a horrible, disgusting bigot.

What's more, he was an alcoholic liar who, through an idiot-savant's ability to sniff out and overblow "evidence" that would have been laughed out of any court in practically any democratic nation and turn it into the blind pig's acorn, ruined countless lives through his staged witch hunts.

McCarthy's antics didn't serve the interests of the nation, they served the interests of Joe McCarthy.

Were there Communist spies in the government? Yes, the same as there were American spies in the Communist government.

The problem with McCarthy was that he didn't give a damn whom he caught in his net of fabrications, obfuscations, lies, half-truths, and yes, even the occasional truth.

It's a sad chapter in American history where the merest association decades before, not even membership in a "communist-leaning" organization, but simple association with a stronger suspect, can literally destroy a person.
 
Pointer, why did you just say that I'm a liberal?

Did McCarthy tell you that? Or is this more of your half baked theorizing?

Or perhaps just name calling?
 
I wonder why people never get so aoused at the way Chucky Shumer handles his comittee hearings?
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Excellent point!

If you look at the leaders of the democrats, they are all just as bad, if not worse, then McCarthy ever was.
 
Because he hasn't had the terrible effect on the country that McCarthy had. The chilling fear that blacklisting and televised hearings brought to the country. I was little, but it wasn't a proud moment in American history.

Just keep reading the following quote until the horror of it sinks in.

"McCarthy was a horrible, disgusting bigot.

What's more, he was an alcoholic liar who, through an idiot-savant's ability to sniff out and overblow "evidence" that would have been laughed out of any court in practically any democratic nation and turn it into the blind pig's acorn, ruined countless lives through his staged witch hunts.

McCarthy's antics didn't serve the interests of the nation, they served the interests of Joe McCarthy."


John
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You still have not delt with the main issue. He was right in what he said !!!!
His personal habits aside. Deal with it.
 
His personal habits aside.
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JFK was a drug addict and serial adulterer, almost started WWIII, and got us into Vietnam.

I guess he's as bad as McCarthy, right? I mean, if personal habits are defining the man?
 
"He was right in what he said !!!!"

No he wasn't, he was a grandstanding bs'er playing to the crowd for fame and glory - his own. What did he ever truly accomplish other than ruining the careers of some left-leaning writers and actors in Hollywood?

And as far as your outburst to "Deal with it."

Who do you think you are you, my mother? Go boss your dog around if you're bored.


The following is from CNN, but you can look the facts up any number of places...

"His investigation of the activities of an Army dentist, Maj. Irving Peress, eventually led to his downfall. In 1954, the Army launched its counterattack, charging that McCarthy was seeking preferential treatment for a consultant, David Schine, who in 1953 had been drafted into the Army. Eventually McCarthy's own subcommittee decided to hold hearings on the matter, the Army-McCarthy hearings. The televised hearings fully exposed McCarthy as irresponsible and dishonest. In December 1954, the Senate voted to censure him. McCarthy never repented, but he quickly descended into irrelevance and alcoholism. He died of a liver ailment in Bethesda, Maryland, on May 2, 1957, at age 47."

John
 
JFK almost started WW3? Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong but it wasn't him pounding his shoe on the podium at the UN and shipping MRBMs to Cuba.

JFK resisted calls from the military for a preemptive strike that would have indeed meant WW3.
 
My goodness, John. He was a senator during the time frame when eastern europe was enslaved by the russians and we came within an inch of losing an entire army in Korea. This was also the time right after our nuclear secrets had been given to the russians and we were all afraid that we would wake up to see their bombers overhead.

I don't know about you, but the duck and cover drills and the little piles of canned food, blankets and water jugs in the basement scared me a lot more than sound bytes from senator joe's hearings.

But I can understand your sentiments. I felt the same way when I watched Senators Feinstein, Shumer and Kennedy on tv during the ugly gun ban debate.



You do realize I hope that the man who replaced him, Bill Proxmire, singlehandedly castrated our aerospace program so we are 30 years behind in the effort to achieve a real presence in space? Somehow with him in office anything not related to getting more support for the dairy industry turned to be costly and wasteful. So now we're having to scramble to get back to the moon and put a colony on Mars before the PLA.
 
Bill Proxmire, aerospace, the moon?

"I don't know about you, but the duck and cover drills and the little piles of canned food, blankets and water jugs in the basement scared me a lot more than sound bytes from senator joe's hearings."

Not me. I guess you had to be living within 50 miles of D.C. to smell the fear in the streets - the fear of being turned in for being a Commie.

John
 
Never mind, John. I guess you would have had to live somewhere in the other 3.7 million square miles of America to understand.

And aerospace is a word we use when we talk about flyin' machines and sech. Nuthin to do with cows. :p
 
"JFK was a drug addict and serial adulterer, almost started WWIII, and got us into Vietnam."

John Kennedy had a very serious back injury that plagued him until the day he was killed. What's more important is that Kennedy's addiction to pain killers (many people with chronic pain are clinically addicted) didn't drive him, control him, or consume him as McCarthy's alcoholism did.

There are mean people, there are mean drunks, and then there are people like Joseph McCarthy, who take mean almost to the level of Satanic when they've been drinking.

Not sure how you mean that Kennedy almost started WW III.

As for Vietnam, Google that country's name and Eisenhower...
 
What's more important is that Kennedy's addiction to pain killers (many people with chronic pain are clinically addicted) didn't drive him, control him, or consume him as McCarthy's alcoholism did.
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Says who? He sent men to their certain deaths during the bay of pigs fiasco by withholding the air support they planned on and needed. Why go ahead with the invasion, but withhold the most important part without telling the men who were going? Either he purposefully sent men to their deaths, or he was too drugged out to realize what he was doing. Or maybe he was fighting the communists hiding under Marilyn Monroe's bed.

And lets bring up Vietnam, shall we? He had the opportunity to either back out, or go full bore to win. He did niether, was that bad judgement while in a drug haze, too busy hitting on every woman in town (except his wife), or just stupidity?
Not sure how you mean that Kennedy almost started WW III.
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The Cuban missile crisis of course. If the russians didn't blink, we'd be living in a much, much different world. A drug addict's bravado? Showing the bimbos how large his "missile launcher" was?

You can twist anyone's vices around to make it the reason for anything you want. McCarthy had his issues, as did Kennedy. Somehow one became a devil, and one became a saint. Just goes to show you the power the MSM has to paint a person to fit their liberal/left agenda.
 
Kennedy had a good, effective program working in Vietnam. His death ended that program and led to the escalation that failed under Johnson.

Vietnam was certainly not JFK's fault by any stretch of the imagination. Had he lived, that war might have been won, by South Vietnam.
 
"Says who? He sent men to their certain deaths during the bay of pigs fiasco by withholding the air support they planned on and needed."

Certainly no other president has ever done that. :rolleyes:


"The Cuban missile crisis of course. If the russians didn't blink, we'd be living in a much, much different world. A drug addict's bravado? Showing the bimbos how large his "missile launcher" was?"

And your option would have been to ignore the Soviet military build-up less than 700 miles from Washington, DC?

People can run around in circles and gobble all they want about how Kennedy "ALMOST" (that can also be stated as DID NOT) caused WW III, but in reality he didn't, and the tangible benefits for the nation were far greater than the drawbacks.

Ever hear the name Gen. Curtis LeMay? Do you have any conceptual clue as to what he wanted to do during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Was Kennedy too tough with him? Not tough enough?

But, since you're all agog over Kennedy's actions, just where do you stand on Reagan's actions in provoking the Soviet Union into an arms race in the 1980s?

There are some historians/politicos/pundits/whatevers who claim that that was a FAR more dangerous situation because it went on for years, as opposed to 13 days, and pushed the Soviets into a far more untenable situation in that it destroyed their economy.

"And lets bring up Vietnam, shall we? He had the opportunity to either back out, or go full bore to win. He did niether, was that bad judgement while in a drug haze, too busy hitting on every woman in town (except his wife), or just stupidity?"

While not even addressing your monumentally uninformed perception of those who take narcotics for chronic pain, please name one president, starting at Eisenhower and ending at Nixon (just so you're clear, that would be Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon) who went "full bore to win" in Vietnam.

Two Republicans, two Democrats.

Buheller? Anyone?
 
Buheller? Anyone?
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You missed the point entirely. The fact is, Kennedy for whatever reason was a drug addict. Obviously you don't think that tarnished his reputation. McCarthy was for whatever reason addicted to alcohol. But you throw that in his face. A double standard on your part.
 
This might be a good time to bring up the Bork and Thomas confirmation hearings. They sounded like witch hunts to me, but McCarthy was noticably absent.

BTW, JFK was also addicted to steroids and amphetamines. Allegedly of course. ;)
 
Seems to me since the Kremlin files were revealed after the end of the cold war (Alger Hiss ring a bell?) that Old Joe may have been an alki (fifth a day some say) and all round not nice person, his charges have born the test of time and over all very on target, like it or not.
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And your response, Redworm??
 
"The fact is, Kennedy for whatever reason was a drug addict. Obviously you don't think that tarnished his reputation."

If he was addicted for legitimate medical reasons, no, I don't think it does.

Once again, you don't have a clue about individuals who suffer from chronic, debilitating pain. In the 1960s, and even far more recently, the only recourse available to some is LEGALLY PRESCRIBED narcotics.

Properly administered and regulated, individuals so medicated can function fully and productively in society.

It's not as if Kennedy was skulking around 13th and F streets South East in DC trying to score narcotics from Humpy Boy, the local drug supplier and part-time enforcer.

You've offered absolutely NO evidence that Kennedy's medical dependence on prescribed narcotics interfered with his ability to perform his functions as head of state.



"BTW, JFK was also addicted to steroids and amphetamines. Allegedly of course."

Steroidal drugs are often given in conjunction with narcotics for relief of chronic pain and other afflictions. Kennedy, though, didn't show any of the signs of chronic steroid abuse (at least the types of steroids that were commonly available in the 1960s). Major weight gain was one (and still is) one of the dramatic side effects of medical steroids. Interestingly, amphetamines have little to no effect on this type of weight gain.
 
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