@Radny97
Clearly you’ve never fired a “rifle caliber” inside a confined space.
I have... it sucks.
That right there is justification alone.
Now try it without ear protection, in the dark, in a self defense (or offensive) situation.Uh, yes i have. Lots. I mostly shoot at an indoor range.
Now try it without ear protection, in the dark, in a self defense (or offensive) situation.
Which was my point
If you’re simply talking about a range toy...
Buy whatever you like and who cares whatever anyone else thinks.
And I’m wondering if I’m missing something.
Yes, a repeated failure to perceive why anybody would like something that doesn't fit your own personal situation. You are trying to understand a community set of values but ONLY through the filter of what you value as important. You haven't been asking why people like PCCs in the context of their own situations, but how could people like them when you don't perceive any use for them because you have compensated for many of the same things in other manners.
It is sort of like saying you don't understand why a person would drive a pickup truck when you have an SUV and a trailer. Other people's opinions and buying decisions weren't ever going to factor in your perspective.
I’m also really pretty good with a handgun (i compete a lot) so i don’t see a lot of accuracy gains from PCCs. I even beat some experienced PCC shooters with an iron sighted handgun in my last match.
But i guess i am beginning to understand the appeal. They’re just not a great choice for me in particular.
Who remembers the Marlin Camp Carbines of 25 years ago? Those were super sweet little carbines with nice wooden stocks, chambered in 9mm and 45ACP. Crazy fun to shoot.
Yes, a repeated failure to perceive why anybody would like something that doesn't fit your own personal situation. You are trying to understand a community set of values but ONLY through the filter of what you value as important. You haven't been asking why people like PCCs in the context of their own situations, but how could people like them when you don't perceive any use for them because you have compensated for many of the same things in other manners.
It is sort of like saying you don't understand why a person would drive a pickup truck when you have an SUV and a trailer. Other people's opinions and buying decisions weren't ever going to factor in your perspective.
Most of the guns in this category will be braced or unbraced pistols,...
I don't see how you can fairly include pistols (braced or unbraced) in the CARBINE category.
Carbines, by ancient definition are rifles with barrels shorter than the standard (infantry) rifle. That does not mean the barrel has to be short, just shorter than the standard rifle length for that model rifle, as there is no set length that makes something a carbine vs. a rifle.
For example, the German rifle 98 (gewehr 98) has a 29.1" barrel. The carbine 98k (Kar98k) has a 23.6" barrel, longer than most Americans would consider a carbine, but it is a carbine none the less, because it is shorter barreled than the standard infantry rifle.
The M16 is designated a rifle, despite having only a 20" barrel which most folks would consider carbine length. The M4 is a carbine because its barrel is shorter than the M16 "infantry rifle".
No matter the barrel length, one thing rifles and carbines have in common is a buttstock. Intended and made to be fired from the shoulder. A braced pistol, no matter how the brace is actually used, does not have a stock. And, of course an unbraced pistol is just a pistol.
Without a stock, I don't see how you can include it in the carbine category.
Am I the only one who is not enamored but the new PCC rage?
Yep it’s a misnomer. There’s whole you tube videos about this misnomer. But it remains true that hey are generally categorized as PCCs even though they clearly aren’t carbines.