Alright Moderators -- that's it!

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TMony
Oleg's command of the American language is exceeded only by his demonstrated capacity for preceptive commentary and rational reasoning.



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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
I suggest that we boycott TFL! Cancel our subscriptions! Douse ourselves with gasoline!Vote for Gore! Send money to Maxine Waters!

That'll show them bastard moderators!

In fact, I am going smash my computer with a brick so they can't control my posts any more!

Hah!

I am urinating on my monitor right now!

Now I bet you are sorry!
 
Hueco, I wouldn't call this a non-confrontational board at all. We've had some very spirited discussions on any number of subjects on which people strongly disagree. However, the vast majority of these were first RKBA related and second kept civil. Debate is one thing, insults are entirely something else and not welcomed.

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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
 
Awards due:
Oleg Volk: Year 2000 Award for best articulating the Spirit of the Bill of Rights.

Mountain: July 2000 Award for the post causing more nose spray of various soft drinks onto computer keyboards. :)
Rich
 
Aw, thank you Rich. Makes me feel less like a damn furriner taking breathing space and the way of life from them real Americans :D

Oleg
 
Personally, I like the 100k/"start part two rule." It's a lot cleaner.

[This message has been edited by CindyH (edited July 29, 2000).]
 
Oleg,

You ARE a real American. Being a real American is believing in the ideals that this nation were founded on. There are many people who are American citizens due to an accident of birth that are not "real" Americans.

You sir, reflect the real American values given to us by our founders. Funny thing, none of them were born American citizens either!
 
Sorry to disagree with you CindyH, but now that somebody else has already mentioned it, I sort of like the non-ending trends. Multiple pages can be set up on the sub-forum board so that people could jump to the particular page that they are interested in without having to wait for the first page to load before moving around ...
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... This would elimate certain trends being started over & over again where a majority of what is being said having been said once before.

Just another view point to think about. --FUD.
 
Rich, You run an outstanding board, Always have. I like your style and those of the other moderators here, that is why when I started "The Armed Citizen" I modeled it and it's rules from TFL. Oleg hit the nail on the head (seems to be a pattern with him, maybe its his Russian background..) When a visitor comes to any site and they search through posts if all they see is Gay bashing, Conspiracy theories, flames and rants they are going to look elsewhere because it does not appear as a board that is willing to edify but rather villify. If we want to encourage the lurkers, the fence sitters, visitors etc to come in then you have to be willing to be open to an opposing view point and willing to state your case in a honest and forthright manner. If you just cave their head in because the idea differs from your own then your not living up to the standards of this board or the principles upon which it was founded. bottom line is that there should be Nothing demeaning or degrading towards another poster, race, color, creed, or religion it's ok to call someone on the pad however no need
to demean them in the process, that won't win the hearts and minds of anyone
Pro or Con it is OK to be angry however that does not give someone permission to be cruel. just my 2 cents worth.

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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Take care and God Bless, El Jefe

The ANTI-HCI Site!
 
Saying some one is wrong...is stating a fact. No matter what subject, there will always be a right person and a wrong person.

To ban the opportunity to call someone wrong (and simply that, no bashing involved) is as absurd as saying you can't tell anyone is right. The two go hand in hand.

My point is this, lock the threads if there is sub-civil behaviour, but don't just on the basis that someone is being accused of being wrong.

I am NOT saying that no threads should be locked. The board would be trashed by trolls. But just wondering why there has been a string of threads that have been locked when no cub-civil behaviour was going on. What was happening was someone was beging told they are wrong. (Even more, a lot of people are told they are wrong on this board, but unless the person being told they are wrong are of some sort of minority [such as gay]...the thread remains unlocked.)

So, moderators, just simply explain why the threads that are locked are locked under the explanation of being "non-RKBA related." That's obviously not true. If that was true, the entire General board woudl be locked.


Hueco
 
None of us is prescient or omnipresent,
moderators included, so each one of us needs to take every opportunity to learn - from others, and from ourselves arguing with others.
Moderators terminating posts injures everyone participating - including moderators themselves who miss an opportunity to learn
something useful or illuminating.
Example: a day or two ago someone posted
an inane 'ataboy' lauding the actions of some
Vermont (or was it Maine?) registrar refusing
to register homosexual couples; there followed an even more absurd comment claiming
very authoratively that public servants can't chose and pick which laws they are allowed to
ignore. The topic was a very good opportunity
to discuss the question of abiding the laws, the Nuremberg defense, etc. When I got to the post in the evening, it was already closed by the clueless moderator, for the sake of children of course.


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Always willing to calculate my chances
 
Ok, whoa..hold on. I am not bashing the moderators here...and don't want to supply an opportunity for anyone else to do so either.

My only complaint is this: I think that some of the threads that are locked, have reasons given that are not true. I just want to know why those threads are really locked.

Hey LawCat...you're going to get this thread locked if you act that way. I'll come after you if that happens! :mad:


Hueco
 
Hueco,
I am not a moderator or Admin Here but I am over on TAC. There are times when a thread has a chance, and a good one to get out of control, and they usually do so quickly. Having posted here for years I can tell you that Rich and Company have done a fantastic job of deciding which have the potential to get out of hand and which do not.I have seen quite a few threads get out of control fast, just because certian key words were there or the implication of the post had negative connotations. I am sure it is nothing personal. If those threads don't get shut down then others will follow that lead and it usually leads to a much bigger problem. Most of these posts once started degrade quickly and then the flame wars start. I usually shut these types of posts down as well, just because I know what can happen to a board once the downward spiral starts. As for a good reason every time I lock a post, well, I usually don't have the time to give long explanations, If a member has a question on why I shut it down then he is welcome to e-mail me and I will do my best to let them know why. Each of the Admins and Mods have a set of rules they must work within, as do a boards members, if the post in question falls outside those rules then expect it to get closed. Remember for each of us that post there are at least one or two that lurk, watch and assess. Our attitudes, our tendencies our overall demeanor is being watched by members and Non members alike. A snap shot is then taken based on the posts here (or TAC for that matter) and we are then judged by what is said, written or implied, and what actions are taken by the Staff. A moderator or admins decision to shut down a topic is not done so lightly or without regard to the intent of the original poster. But it is done based on experience, the Mods and Admins here are VERY experienced and Rich made a good choice in selecting them. Some things simply cannot be allowed because we know where it leads....... Okay there is .02 more cents (what is that now .04? :D) Hey Rich if I am off track here please say so....

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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Take care and God Bless, El Jefe

The ANTI-HCI Site!
 
Hueco-
Examples and links to the examples, if you please. I don't believe Staff closes posts as capriciously as you may indicate.....but we're willing to look at examples.
Rich
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Saying some one is wrong...is stating a fact. No matter what subject, there will always be a right person and a wrong person. [/quote]
That's just not true. (You're wrong, Hueco!) ;) hehe :D
 
From the first 36 pages of General.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36504

A very good example. It was closed, and one of the main reasons was that it was non-RKBA related.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36281

Same as above, the post was labeled as non-guns related.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36185

Another good example. Locked because TFL is not the place for non-gun related posts.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35854

No reason was given, but I am guessing because it was "pointless." Same story as those above.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35712

"...has nothing to do with RKBA."
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35385

I believe a "pointless" thread would be one that does not further the cause, etc. of a group (in this case, RKBA). Thus because it is pointless on a gun board, it is non-gun related. Sure, it could be pointless if it had no value, but the value was shown by the number of replies.

So all I want to know...is why these threads were locked...and not all the other non-RKBA posts?


Hueco
 
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