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I agree with cslinger. If you want something powerful I'd go with a PCP. The Benjamin Marauder is an absoulte steal for it's price, but the one thing with PCPs is that you also need a pump or compressor. There might be some newer models out there but I have been using the Marauder for years and it shoots like a dream.
Some of these air rifles marketed at 1200FPS .177 air rifles on the market right now actually have a problem with hypervelocity. The pellets were not made to travel at those speeds so they tumbel and yaw in flight leading to poor accuracy. That's one reason I usually go with heavier/larger pellets. This is a good resource on PCP air rifles.
Some of these air rifles marketed at 1200FPS .177 air rifles on the market right now actually have a problem with hypervelocity. The pellets were not made to travel at those speeds so they tumbel and yaw in flight leading to poor accuracy. That's one reason I usually go with heavier/larger pellets. This is a good resource on PCP air rifles.
Since I posted that picture in july I got wild hair and sold nearly all of them plus 5 pistols, kept 3 rifles and 3 pistols, Diana outlaw, QB78, R7 and 3 vintage Benjamin pistols. Ended up with enough to pay for a FX dreamline classic laminated and a Leupold scope. The used airgun market was absolutely crazy this summer, rifles selling for 3-5 times what they're normally worth.
It's supposed to be here next week, I ordered it in August. I did get a SCBA tank which makes filling my Diana Outlaw a snap.
It's supposed to be here next week, I ordered it in August. I did get a SCBA tank which makes filling my Diana Outlaw a snap.
stephen426
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@libiglou,
While BB guns are pretty good, I would actually go with airsoft instead. If you miss with a BB gun, you may damage something. There is little chance of damage with an air soft. Neither gun will have recoil so that would be a moot point. You can easily shoot airsoft indoors. Just find a place to hang a towel and drop the bottom of it into a box to collect the ammo. Safety pin your target to the towel, and you’re good to go. I would get a decent CO2 airsoft that is as similar to your carry gun as possible. Try working on rapidly acquiring the target and point shooting. I did that when ammo got scare/expensive after the Sandy Hook tragedy. I was easily grouping around the size of a silver dollar without sights from 15 feet away. Go from low ready and try to get on target as quickly as possible. Also practice drawing from concealment. This will make you a much better shooter even when ammo is pleantiful again.
While BB guns are pretty good, I would actually go with airsoft instead. If you miss with a BB gun, you may damage something. There is little chance of damage with an air soft. Neither gun will have recoil so that would be a moot point. You can easily shoot airsoft indoors. Just find a place to hang a towel and drop the bottom of it into a box to collect the ammo. Safety pin your target to the towel, and you’re good to go. I would get a decent CO2 airsoft that is as similar to your carry gun as possible. Try working on rapidly acquiring the target and point shooting. I did that when ammo got scare/expensive after the Sandy Hook tragedy. I was easily grouping around the size of a silver dollar without sights from 15 feet away. Go from low ready and try to get on target as quickly as possible. Also practice drawing from concealment. This will make you a much better shooter even when ammo is pleantiful again.
stephen426
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@mikejonnestkd,
I have spring piston, nitro piston, PCP and CO2 air rifles. As littlebikerider mentioned, spring piston and nitro piston guns have some bad recoil which can affect accuracy. PCP rifles have come down considerably so you really should give them a second look. Unless you are looking at pest control or small game hunting, I’d stick with .22. Ammo is quite a bit cheaper than .25, but it pack a lot more than the .177 I think Pyramyd Air is probably one of the best sites for air guns. I just ordered this gun but it hasn’t come in yet. The reviews are amazing and the specs are highly impressive: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_Venturi_Avenger_Regulated_PCP_Air_Rifle/5136
It is a regulated gun with adjustable power and the tank can be pumped to 4500 PSI. Price is only $299, buy\t you’ll probably spend more on a pump.
The Benjamin Marauder. As already mentioned, is a great gun as well and very quiet. I have one in .25 for sniping iguanas at my parents house. I started with the Benjamin Trail Nitro Piston piston and then went up to the .25 caliber version when it didn’t seem the .22 was doing the job. The Marauder (I got the synthetic version) is an incredible gun and is very accurate with the right ammo. I’ll update once my Air Venturi Avenger comes in.
I have spring piston, nitro piston, PCP and CO2 air rifles. As littlebikerider mentioned, spring piston and nitro piston guns have some bad recoil which can affect accuracy. PCP rifles have come down considerably so you really should give them a second look. Unless you are looking at pest control or small game hunting, I’d stick with .22. Ammo is quite a bit cheaper than .25, but it pack a lot more than the .177 I think Pyramyd Air is probably one of the best sites for air guns. I just ordered this gun but it hasn’t come in yet. The reviews are amazing and the specs are highly impressive: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_Venturi_Avenger_Regulated_PCP_Air_Rifle/5136
It is a regulated gun with adjustable power and the tank can be pumped to 4500 PSI. Price is only $299, buy\t you’ll probably spend more on a pump.
The Benjamin Marauder. As already mentioned, is a great gun as well and very quiet. I have one in .25 for sniping iguanas at my parents house. I started with the Benjamin Trail Nitro Piston piston and then went up to the .25 caliber version when it didn’t seem the .22 was doing the job. The Marauder (I got the synthetic version) is an incredible gun and is very accurate with the right ammo. I’ll update once my Air Venturi Avenger comes in.
Some very good advice in the previous posts. Crossman makes a fun plinking pistol. For the money, they are hard to beat. I have the 1322.
I would add, for casual backyard plinking, and pest control / hunting, a nice moderate to high powered springer long gun is hard to beat. I have always been a fan of the Diana springers. The 350 is way too loud, too hard to cock repeatedly. I got rid of my 350. The 34 is perfect. Sidelever model is also nice, I still have one, a model 52 in .22.
My all time favorite is the Diana model 45 .177, bought one in 1988 (900 fps with a rubber piston seal), foolishly sold it, then found a replacement, a 1983 model on Ebay a few years ago. This one has the leather piston seal, shoots a bit slower...probably around 800 fps, just needs a drop of oil on occasion to keep the leather alive. You can still find the RWS Diana 45 used if you look.
Properly cared for, springers last indefinitely as long as you don't store it cocked or dry fire it... or loan it out to friends.
Springers are perfect for survivalist minded folk, as there is just FAR less to break over the long haul. No tanks, pumps , valves or hoses! Just a spare spring, an extra breach and piston seal along, bottle of the proper oil with plenty of pellets and you should be good come Hell or high water. Something to consider in today's crazy world.
My vintage Diana 45 is perfect for plinking tin cans, squirrels, rabbits, feral cats, rats, crows, etc. Over 800 FPS in a man sized rifle, German made wood and blue steel, accurate & classy, what more do you need?
Oh, pellets. You need pellets.
I like the RWS pellets, pricey, but accurate. Still far cheaper than .22's. .177 is potent on birds, but with squirrels, rabbits, etc., I would suggest head shots.
The 45 is no longer made, but the 34 is its son if you want brand new and or in .22, which is probably better for hunting / pests. Or, my next likely airgun, a Weihrauch HW50... another quality made air rifle. Very nice gun.
Don't get too hung up on speed. Some people think you have to have the fastest airgun made. Speed sells. You do not need 1,000 fps to shoot rats or tin cans. 650 to 800 is more than enough, and many of us have been successful and satisfied with even less. Shot placement is the secret.
With a springer, use the artillery hold, no death grip... hold it loose, allow it to recoil foward. First lesson I learned in 1988 with my old 45 Diana. Springers do have a learning curve, but once mastered are a true joy to use.
I would add, for casual backyard plinking, and pest control / hunting, a nice moderate to high powered springer long gun is hard to beat. I have always been a fan of the Diana springers. The 350 is way too loud, too hard to cock repeatedly. I got rid of my 350. The 34 is perfect. Sidelever model is also nice, I still have one, a model 52 in .22.
My all time favorite is the Diana model 45 .177, bought one in 1988 (900 fps with a rubber piston seal), foolishly sold it, then found a replacement, a 1983 model on Ebay a few years ago. This one has the leather piston seal, shoots a bit slower...probably around 800 fps, just needs a drop of oil on occasion to keep the leather alive. You can still find the RWS Diana 45 used if you look.
Properly cared for, springers last indefinitely as long as you don't store it cocked or dry fire it... or loan it out to friends.
Springers are perfect for survivalist minded folk, as there is just FAR less to break over the long haul. No tanks, pumps , valves or hoses! Just a spare spring, an extra breach and piston seal along, bottle of the proper oil with plenty of pellets and you should be good come Hell or high water. Something to consider in today's crazy world.
My vintage Diana 45 is perfect for plinking tin cans, squirrels, rabbits, feral cats, rats, crows, etc. Over 800 FPS in a man sized rifle, German made wood and blue steel, accurate & classy, what more do you need?
Oh, pellets. You need pellets.
I like the RWS pellets, pricey, but accurate. Still far cheaper than .22's. .177 is potent on birds, but with squirrels, rabbits, etc., I would suggest head shots. The 45 is no longer made, but the 34 is its son if you want brand new and or in .22, which is probably better for hunting / pests. Or, my next likely airgun, a Weihrauch HW50... another quality made air rifle. Very nice gun.
Don't get too hung up on speed. Some people think you have to have the fastest airgun made. Speed sells. You do not need 1,000 fps to shoot rats or tin cans. 650 to 800 is more than enough, and many of us have been successful and satisfied with even less. Shot placement is the secret.
With a springer, use the artillery hold, no death grip... hold it loose, allow it to recoil foward. First lesson I learned in 1988 with my old 45 Diana. Springers do have a learning curve, but once mastered are a true joy to use.
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Geezerbiker
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I've been lusting after one off the 9mm air rifles from PyrimidAir for a long time. One with all that's needed to feed it never seemed to fit in my budget...
Tony
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SCBA tanks {fireman tanks} that are out of date sell for less than 100.00, the gauge and hose are another 65.00. Paintball places will fill them or if you know someone who works at a firehouse that has a compressor they'll fill them if they know your using it for a pcp and not fire rescue. The local guys around here have topped off my gun a couple of times when I didn't have the bulk tank with me.
I know two guys that have compressors that fill mine, one full tank will fill my gun close to 50 times, 50 shots per gun fill= 2500 shots between tank fills, that's alot of pellets.
Once you shoot a suppressed pcp you'll never go back to spring guns. They're way lighter, accurate and quieter.
I know two guys that have compressors that fill mine, one full tank will fill my gun close to 50 times, 50 shots per gun fill= 2500 shots between tank fills, that's alot of pellets.
Once you shoot a suppressed pcp you'll never go back to spring guns. They're way lighter, accurate and quieter.
stephen426
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https://www.amazon.com/GX-Compressor-Auto-Stop-Water-Oil-Separator/dp/B0819ZH85H
I know this compressor isn’t cheap, I bought one and mine has worked great. It can fill bottles as well as long as you don’t run it longer than 30 minutes. One you get a compressor, you will never want to go back to manual pumps. If you have to pay to get your tank filled, it will eventually add up.
I know this compressor isn’t cheap, I bought one and mine has worked great. It can fill bottles as well as long as you don’t run it longer than 30 minutes. One you get a compressor, you will never want to go back to manual pumps. If you have to pay to get your tank filled, it will eventually add up.
If this ammo shortage doesn't let up soon air guns are all we will be able to shoot.
I have a Webley Tenpest, I like not having to depend on an external power source.
An air gun allows for shooting on a cold, icy, snowy rainy stay at home day. And it's an excellent way to introduce new shooters.
I have a Webley Tenpest, I like not having to depend on an external power source.
An air gun allows for shooting on a cold, icy, snowy rainy stay at home day. And it's an excellent way to introduce new shooters.
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stephen426
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My Air Venturi Avenger just came in today! I’m going to have to wait till I go to my parent’s house since I have my compressor there. I’m pretty darn excited to shoot this thing. I’ll let you guys know once I put it through it’s paces. Those iguanas won’t know what hit them!
cslinger:
What distance were you shooting at for that target?
My .22 Gamo Whisper with a nitro piston can do about 1" groups at 25 yards, but beyond that opens up to just under 3" at 50 yards, off-hand. I just got a Benjamin Fortitude Gen 2 in .177 and am just shooting at a 1.5" spinner at 25 yards for now. Still breaking in the 1st 500 shots, then I'll switch to the good pellets and see what I can really do without the springer recoil at distance. That Gamo is still my squirrel/chipmunk killer!
With the run-up in gun & ammo prices this summer, I took the opportunity to sell off one of my rifles and it's ammo. Gave me plenty to get started in the PCP world with a nice HP compressor too. Luckily, I found the .177 ammo my Fortitude likes before pellet prices started going up in the past few weeks. I just hope it still likes the same 2 after "break-in" as I bought several years supply worth (trying to capture the same lot).
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What distance were you shooting at for that target?
My .22 Gamo Whisper with a nitro piston can do about 1" groups at 25 yards, but beyond that opens up to just under 3" at 50 yards, off-hand. I just got a Benjamin Fortitude Gen 2 in .177 and am just shooting at a 1.5" spinner at 25 yards for now. Still breaking in the 1st 500 shots, then I'll switch to the good pellets and see what I can really do without the springer recoil at distance. That Gamo is still my squirrel/chipmunk killer!
With the run-up in gun & ammo prices this summer, I took the opportunity to sell off one of my rifles and it's ammo. Gave me plenty to get started in the PCP world with a nice HP compressor too. Luckily, I found the .177 ammo my Fortitude likes before pellet prices started going up in the past few weeks. I just hope it still likes the same 2 after "break-in" as I bought several years supply worth (trying to capture the same lot).
Here's a target shot at 20yds with my Diana Outlaw earlier this year, it shows a preference for 10.0+ and heavier pellets.
My go to pellet for pest control this summer has been the Stoeger 10.19 gr. x-power, at 20yds it groups in an out of round hole and 1/2 inch out to 60yds.
I've been cleaning out prairie dogs at one of my accounts for the last few weeks, mostly neck and head shots out to 50yds.
This one was a 37yd neck shot.
Ran across this picture from a couple of years ago, this customer has a prairie dog for a pet, he runs around the house with her Chihuahua, not house trained and bites everyone except her. I didn't comment on the situation.
My go to pellet for pest control this summer has been the Stoeger 10.19 gr. x-power, at 20yds it groups in an out of round hole and 1/2 inch out to 60yds.
I've been cleaning out prairie dogs at one of my accounts for the last few weeks, mostly neck and head shots out to 50yds.
This one was a 37yd neck shot.
Ran across this picture from a couple of years ago, this customer has a prairie dog for a pet, he runs around the house with her Chihuahua, not house trained and bites everyone except her. I didn't comment on the situation.
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Here's some 10 shot groups at 20yds, nothing wrong with JSB 10.34 gr. pellets.
Check out the 10 shot group on target #1.
50yd testing checking velocity.
I should have realized that if the Outlaw would topple the heavy duty 22 rams at 50yds they would also damage the air gun rams, ruined a couple of them before gong down and looking at them.
The third one from the left was dented pretty bad.
Check out the 10 shot group on target #1.
50yd testing checking velocity.
I should have realized that if the Outlaw would topple the heavy duty 22 rams at 50yds they would also damage the air gun rams, ruined a couple of them before gong down and looking at them.
The third one from the left was dented pretty bad.
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stephen426
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So I finally made the time to shoot my new Air Venturi Avenger. At only $299, this is arguably the best value PCP rifle on the market right now. The air tank holds 180 cc and can be pressurized to 4350 PSI. You had better have a compressor if you want to try and get to that pressure. The barrel is shrouded and has internal baffles to reduce noise. I fired it at full power and it was very quiet (at least as quiet and the Benjamin Marauder). The cool thing is that this is a regulated air rifle, especially at this price point. It is user adjustable for the regulator, allowing full power shots, to lower powered plinking. The trigger pull is also adjustable for trigger weight and travel! It has Picatinny rails on top (no fixed sight included) and a rail at the front of the fore end for mounting optics or a bipod. The gun uses a side lever to cock the gun which is pretty cool. It just goes straight back and forth unlike the typical bolt action On the Benjamin Marauder.
So, how does it shoot? Pretty darn good would sum it up. I mounted a 3-9 powered scope from Center Point and got it dialed in. I used a laser pointed that I lined up along the air tank and barrel to get close to lined up. From there, it just took a few shots and I was dead on. I’ll try and post some pics when I get a chance.
I did not mess with the trigger pull as I was just trying to get the scope sighted in first. While it isn’t like a light match grade trigger, it isn’t bad at all. I’m sure it can be improved with the adjustments. I don’t have a trigger gauge, but I’d say it was in the 4-5 pound range from the factory.
Accuracy was spot on as you will see once I get the pictures up. It took just a few shots to get sighted in so I started aiming at the numbers instead. It was raining so I could only shoot at 14 yards under my covered patio. There is no crosswind so the shots were dead on at that distance. I sighted in with JSB Match Kings, then H&N Barracuda Extremes and Predator Polymags. Both pellets were dead on as well and were touching at 14 yards. I didn’t fire enough rounds to see how it functioned at lower pressures, but I’ll try and update this post when I do.
If you have a high power compressor, this is the gun to get. Getting a regulated gun at this price range is incredible. Having the ability to adjust power and trigger pull is a awesome bonus. Someone complained the stock feels cheap and plasticky, but it also lowers the weight. The gun actually came with two mags and a single shot loading tray while Benjamin only came with one. This may not be the ideal poop hits the fan air rifle since it is PCP, but it can certainly take out small game easily and probably even bigger game with good shot placement. If you are using it for pest control, buy the caliber you need. I’m using mine for iguanas so .25 is ideal for me. It is rated at 45 foot pounds at the muzzle. The .22 is rated for 34 foot pounds, and the .177 at 22 foot pounds. Rats should easily go down with .22.
So, how does it shoot? Pretty darn good would sum it up. I mounted a 3-9 powered scope from Center Point and got it dialed in. I used a laser pointed that I lined up along the air tank and barrel to get close to lined up. From there, it just took a few shots and I was dead on. I’ll try and post some pics when I get a chance.
I did not mess with the trigger pull as I was just trying to get the scope sighted in first. While it isn’t like a light match grade trigger, it isn’t bad at all. I’m sure it can be improved with the adjustments. I don’t have a trigger gauge, but I’d say it was in the 4-5 pound range from the factory.
Accuracy was spot on as you will see once I get the pictures up. It took just a few shots to get sighted in so I started aiming at the numbers instead. It was raining so I could only shoot at 14 yards under my covered patio. There is no crosswind so the shots were dead on at that distance. I sighted in with JSB Match Kings, then H&N Barracuda Extremes and Predator Polymags. Both pellets were dead on as well and were touching at 14 yards. I didn’t fire enough rounds to see how it functioned at lower pressures, but I’ll try and update this post when I do.
If you have a high power compressor, this is the gun to get. Getting a regulated gun at this price range is incredible. Having the ability to adjust power and trigger pull is a awesome bonus. Someone complained the stock feels cheap and plasticky, but it also lowers the weight. The gun actually came with two mags and a single shot loading tray while Benjamin only came with one. This may not be the ideal poop hits the fan air rifle since it is PCP, but it can certainly take out small game easily and probably even bigger game with good shot placement. If you are using it for pest control, buy the caliber you need. I’m using mine for iguanas so .25 is ideal for me. It is rated at 45 foot pounds at the muzzle. The .22 is rated for 34 foot pounds, and the .177 at 22 foot pounds. Rats should easily go down with .22.