Aerosmith/NYPD gun permit scandal!
- Thread starter K80Geoff
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What scandal? This is exactly the sort of thing that has been ongoing for years, and I suspect that everyone outside of the residents of monestaries and or nunneries knows it too. As for "action" be the New York DA, you can't be serious. Don't even think about holding your breath while you wait, that is unless you really look good in blue, as with one turns blue as a result of lack of oxygen.
A bit of history, that might interest some. For those who remember the film Serpico, based on events in the life of a NYPD type, and the goings on of the Knapp Commission, before which Serpico testified, the Pistol License Bureau was looked at by the commission, at least superfically. Mr. Knapp, who by the way, was no friend of gun owners, offered about the Pistol License Bureau, part of the NYPD, that it's existance and operation were invitations to graft and corruption.
I will note, in closing, that such invitations do not lie fallow.
A bit of history, that might interest some. For those who remember the film Serpico, based on events in the life of a NYPD type, and the goings on of the Knapp Commission, before which Serpico testified, the Pistol License Bureau was looked at by the commission, at least superfically. Mr. Knapp, who by the way, was no friend of gun owners, offered about the Pistol License Bureau, part of the NYPD, that it's existance and operation were invitations to graft and corruption.
I will note, in closing, that such invitations do not lie fallow.
F350Lawman
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I am not saying that there aren't problems with the Pistol License Division but the Knapp Commisssion is hardly relevant to the NYPD of today. Let's not use 30 something year old history and movies as a basis for judging what did or didn't happen at the Pistol License Division.
If it was SO easy to bribe someone for a pistol license ther wouldn't be damn near impossible to get in NYC. NO excuse, for anyone one taking "gifts" from celebs but let's not act like they have blue light special on pistol permits in NYC.
NY is full of rich and powerful people, very few of them have weaseled a pistol permit out of the NYPD. Even with an attorney, money and a real need it's hard to get a carry permit. It should only be so easy that all you need was to grease a few palms.
Motor Vehicles, State Liquor Licenses, Bldg. permits, Pistol licenses, etc. are all areas wher corruptuion can crop up and does, and not just in NYC.
If it was SO easy to bribe someone for a pistol license ther wouldn't be damn near impossible to get in NYC. NO excuse, for anyone one taking "gifts" from celebs but let's not act like they have blue light special on pistol permits in NYC.
NY is full of rich and powerful people, very few of them have weaseled a pistol permit out of the NYPD. Even with an attorney, money and a real need it's hard to get a carry permit. It should only be so easy that all you need was to grease a few palms.
Motor Vehicles, State Liquor Licenses, Bldg. permits, Pistol licenses, etc. are all areas wher corruptuion can crop up and does, and not just in NYC.
F350Lawqman:
Yes the Knapp Commission goes back some years, quite a few years, as you noted, and there is, or has been, without doubt, corruption and special privilege involved with other departments/agencies that he mentions.
Unfortunately, it remains that from it's inception, The Sullivan Law was as crooked as a summers day is long. There has not really been a noticeable improvement in the creature since it's enactment, back in 1911, as I recall. Actually, things have gotten worse, much worse, from the viewpoint of the law abiding resident that is.
As for the "special applications" that have been injected into Sullivan Law Stew for NYC and a few other areas, they never passed the smell test, and they never will, but then neither did the entire NYC scheme or scam, whichever readers might prefer. By the way, in case anyone is interested, I grew up in NYC and lived there for many years, though I did "vote with my feet" back in 1967, over example another of NYC idiocy, the requirement for the registration of long guns passed that year.
On this, the original fee was $5.00, which covered the registration of as many long guns were being registered. Hey F350Lawman, what is the fee today, it's per year too, isn't it, and has the enactment, the operation, the enforcement of this legislation had the least demonstrable effect in the direction of REDUCING criminal violence. The answer is likely NO, but that question is somewhat removed from question of pistol permits, conveniently pushed through, for a couple of touring musicians, isn't it?
The plain fact is that the problems with NYPD's Pistol License Bureau and other aspects of Sullivan Law enforcement will never be fixed by the offending parties (internal reform), which all to often becomes an exercise in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The problem has to be squarely faced, and addressed by The State Legislature, which historically speaking, has lacked the guts to properly do so.
The fact of some graft and corruption in the NYPD is sad, but not "life threatening", for there is often a degree of graft and corruption in police agencies, and other large organizations nationwide. What might be more than simply sad, is the fact that The State Legislature, sees all the questionable goings on, yet turns a blind eye, except when it enacts some other gun control scheme, as I believe it has done fairly recently, pushed by the governor.
Yes the Knapp Commission goes back some years, quite a few years, as you noted, and there is, or has been, without doubt, corruption and special privilege involved with other departments/agencies that he mentions.
Unfortunately, it remains that from it's inception, The Sullivan Law was as crooked as a summers day is long. There has not really been a noticeable improvement in the creature since it's enactment, back in 1911, as I recall. Actually, things have gotten worse, much worse, from the viewpoint of the law abiding resident that is.
As for the "special applications" that have been injected into Sullivan Law Stew for NYC and a few other areas, they never passed the smell test, and they never will, but then neither did the entire NYC scheme or scam, whichever readers might prefer. By the way, in case anyone is interested, I grew up in NYC and lived there for many years, though I did "vote with my feet" back in 1967, over example another of NYC idiocy, the requirement for the registration of long guns passed that year.
On this, the original fee was $5.00, which covered the registration of as many long guns were being registered. Hey F350Lawman, what is the fee today, it's per year too, isn't it, and has the enactment, the operation, the enforcement of this legislation had the least demonstrable effect in the direction of REDUCING criminal violence. The answer is likely NO, but that question is somewhat removed from question of pistol permits, conveniently pushed through, for a couple of touring musicians, isn't it?
The plain fact is that the problems with NYPD's Pistol License Bureau and other aspects of Sullivan Law enforcement will never be fixed by the offending parties (internal reform), which all to often becomes an exercise in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The problem has to be squarely faced, and addressed by The State Legislature, which historically speaking, has lacked the guts to properly do so.
The fact of some graft and corruption in the NYPD is sad, but not "life threatening", for there is often a degree of graft and corruption in police agencies, and other large organizations nationwide. What might be more than simply sad, is the fact that The State Legislature, sees all the questionable goings on, yet turns a blind eye, except when it enacts some other gun control scheme, as I believe it has done fairly recently, pushed by the governor.
F350Lawman
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Believe me most members of the NYPD that I've met don't have much interest in NYCs overly stingent gun laws. Unfortunantely you can't make it (with few exceptions) in NYC politicians unless you're a radical liberal. Most hate guns almost as much as they hate cops. Suprised we still have guns. 