Accidental Discharge after falling out....

Nocturnus 31; said:
I bet that is not what happened. That is probably what he told police but he likely pulled the trigger on accident.
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I agree. One BIG mistake , and I've seen it happen, is if a gun is falling ... people try to catch it (it's a natural reaction) .... with a high likelihood they'll hit the trigger and cause it to fire. It's easier for the guy to blame the gun. It's typically, BS.

You may hate doing it , but let it fall..... don't try to catch it, if you do try to catch it ... that's when Murphy's law will kick in.... and your finger "will " hit the trigger. The gun won't fire on it's own. The "ONE" exception , if you have a revolver without a transfer bar, and then.... don't have a round under the hammer... PERIOD.

Second, I hold on to the gun and my pants as I"m dropping my pants. If I lose control, it wont' be of the gun. LOL.
 
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12GaugeSlugGoth said:
BarryLee said:
I was taught when you drop a gun not to try and catch it, but to just let it fall to the floor.
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Yup. Same thing with a knife in the kitchen, don't try to catch it..........you just might succeed and wish you hadn't. It's a natural reaction to try and catch it, but it's not a good idea.
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Add a hot soldering iron to that list. Yes, I caught it and yes it was stupid. :o

For those who carry a 1911 a lot and worry about a potential slam-fire if the gun is dropped, check out the replacement titanium firing pins and springs. The lightweight pin can't get enough inertia when dropped, but gets plenty enough inertia from the hammer.
 
The guy was undoubtedly negligent to let his gun fall (if that's what happened). But isn't anybody worried the police are talking about charging him criminally? If it had hit someone, he certainly should be held liable for civil damages. But it requires more than simple negligence for there to be criminal liability. He went to the crapper and his gun fell out of his holster/pocket/whatever.

Think about it. How many here have caused a traffic accident through negligence of some sort? Following too closely, taking your eye off the road, etc. Has anybody here ever dropped a gun?

Woman drops gun in bathroom stall and shoots person -- http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-n...opped-gun-hits-woman-bathroom-stall-ar-98432/

Man drops gun in stall and shoots self (forget he is a convicted felon) -- http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Bathroom-Trip-Ends-in-Accidental-Shooting-136225193.html
 
I am on the side of those who think the guy in Walmart just might have been playing with his ... gun, er, revolver, and it went off.

Jim
 
brickeyee said:
The RF fields are strong enough to cause heating of metal in tattoo inks and produce skin burns.
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im not too sure about this... i have MANY tattoos and get scanned in a MRI machine every ~6 months--- i have yet to have a tattoo get "hot", burn my skin or ink be pulled out of my skin...

sevens said:
Series 90?
I think Colt used to etch "series 90" on their short-lived Double Eagle pistols which weren't 1911's, but similar... and double action.

If you meant like a 1991, that's a 1911, but a series 80.

Or is there some kind of series 90 that I'm unfamiliar with?
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your right i mean series "80" since i dont have a "90" ... mybad, 2am is a little too early for me to think right all the time
 
im not too sure about this... i have MANY tattoos and get scanned in a MRI machine every ~6 months--- i have yet to have a tattoo get "hot", burn my skin or ink be pulled out of my skin...
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It depends on how high the metal content is in the inks used.

Not all colors use metal that can be heated, and the same color is sometimes available from metallic and non-metallic inks.

Tattoos are a question on the MRI consent form for a reason.
 
Older Single Actions Cowboy Style guns are usually carried with the hammer on an empty chamber. But a young buck of 24 must of got his training from a Computer Games perhaps?
 
Older Single Actions Cowboy Style guns are usually carried with the hammer on an empty chamber. But a young buck of 24 must of got his training from a Computer Games perhaps?
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Not usually, if you are smart, it's always. Even the old cowboys back in the 1800s knew this trick so their stirrups wouldn't drop on their hammers when they were saddling their horses. I have been shooting Ruger single actions for many years with the drop safety system, and without. I would never carry the old three screw single action without the drop safety with a hammer down on the live shell.

I'm wondering if this particular Ruger actually had the drop safety, and the guy was playing with his gun while sitting on the pot. Isn't that what everybody does for fun when they use the restroom?
 
It's a failure of the guy carrying the gun, not the gun itself. If it was an older type revolver without a transfer bar, an empty chamber is the proper way to carry one of those.

He was either playing with it or had the gun in a condition that it should not have been.

Best thing to do if your carrying and need to use a stall? Pull pants down to knees and sit, loop belt back through and clasp in front like they where still on you, push out with your knees and keep it there until your ready to pull your pants back up. This keeps the gun in the holster and pointed down while your in the stall. No need to removed it from the belt and set it on the lid or cram it in some handle. This also prevents it from dropping to the floor which is more about anyone looking at the bottom of the stall and seeing a gun over having a ND.

Practice it at home and you'll notice it's quite easy to do.
 
Quite possibly a workable solution... except...

When lowering one's pants, the gun isn't always well supported with the belt open. Even spreading one's knees doesn't guarantee that the belt won't slide out through a belt loop, let the holster start to sag outwards and the gun fall out (eventually).

One problem some cops have had (I know, different belt system, etc.) is that they sometimes put the gun on the tank or hang it carefully on a coat hook. Then, after finishing their business, have left the gun in the stall and walked away. In fact, a female Secret Service agent did that whilst protecting Hillary and was taken off the White House detail.

Placing the gun carefully in your shorts[¹] or dropped pants makes it impossible to "forget" the gun in the stall. There is an increased possibility of a ND by handling, but anyone carrying should be aware of keeping the finger off the trigger.


¹ Worried about muzzle direction? In boxers, the muzzle can be put into the open fly. In briefs, it can be held between the overlapping 'access' panels. For women, they'll have to work out their own system.
 
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