A shotgun for my wife!

.300 W.M.
Most of your larger pro shots will have light loads for exactly the reasons we've been talking about. These 28-ga equivalent 12-ga loads are hardly home made (like 1-oz's):
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.300 Weatherby Mag said:
I guess my problem is that I see far more stupid people trying to introduce women to the sport than the other way around..
Ah… Finally, something we can completely, and unconditionally agree upon. Sorry to hear you had a bad day.
 
Zippy,

I am in socal too.. Where are you finding the low recoil stuff?? I have a few boxes of it lying around I found a while back.. Only drawback is that it won't cycle an auto..
 
There is sort of a three way balancing act when selecting guns/ammo for smaller, recoil-sensitive shooters. You have...

1) gun weight -- I know that, to many of us, a heavy gun isn't necessarily bad, but for smaller, less-strong shooters, a gun could easily be too heavy. I will use the terms "light" gun to really mean a gun of comfortable, manageable weight and "heavy" gun to mean one that is somewhat difficult to handle well. If a shooter has to lean back to keep from tipping over, that's probably too heavy. If a gun feels like a lead pipe while pheasant hunting, that's probably too heavy.

2) recoil -- No explanation needed. No matter how you twist it, more recoil is bad. Less recoil is good.

3) shot potency -- Light loads are fine for many purposes, but heavier loads certainly have some advantages. Champion trap shooter aren't using 3/4 oz. loads, and it's a rare person who kills geese with a 28 gauge. So for the sake of general shooting needs, I'm considering a gun/ammo combination with a heavy loads to be a good thing while light loads can, in many cases, be unsuitable for a task.

It's not hard to to find a gun/ammo combination that will be great in two of the above categories, but a combination that's great in all three is unlikely.

Possible 2 plus, 1 negative combinations are:

+ light gun
+ light recoil
- weak loads.

- heavy gun
+ light recoil
+ heavy loads

+ light gun
- heavy recoil
+ heavy loads

Which aspect one is most willing to compromise on should depend on purpose of the gun.

Shooting clays generally means a lot of shooting, so a smaller shooter would likely want low recoil as one of the pluses. What this means then is that the gun will have to be heavy, the loads have to be light, or some compromise between the two.

For an upland gun, I personally would not be willing to compromise on weight. If it's too heavy to carry comfortably, it takes the fun out of hunting. So that means one either has to endure harder recoil while shooting standard loads, shoot light loads to minimize recoil, or find a balance of moderate loads and moderate recoil.

For something like goose hunting, people may be reluctant to give up shot potency. So that means either a heavy gun to reduce recoil, accepting some bruises with a light gun, or finding some compromise of a mid-weight gun and tolerable recoil.


I suppose one could try to find an equal balance gun weight, recoil, and shot potency, but things intended to be adequate for many purposes are rarely great for any purpose. That said, some guns could serve two purposes well.

For a waterfowl/upland gun, a light gun with heavy shot capacity could be used. Recoil would be the drawback, but if only a handful of shots are taken per outing, that may be worth it. It certainly wouldn't be good for the hundreds of rounds shot in shooting sports.

For a sporting/waterfowl gun, a heavy gun with heavy shot capacity could be used. It would just be a matter of whether it's too heavy to handle well, and it would be an unpleasant upland gun.

I don't believe sporting and upland guns can pull double duty well, unless you're maybe talking about a sub-gauge used for skeet. Otherwise, the two activities and suitable gun just seem to be at opposite end of the spectrum.
...Keep in mind this is still based on smaller shooters. A stronger person might not perceive a heavy gun as a negative, even while upland hunting.

Finally, I'm not overlooking gun fit. I just didn't mention it because it's ALWAYS important regardless of what your gun weighs, what shells you're shooting, or how much free recoil you're dealing with.
 
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to the OP-

If you have 12s, let your wife try them. Show her how to properly handle them. You don't have 20s- do any of your friends? Surely someone you know has a 20ga you could borrow for your wife to try. Let HER decide what SHE wants to shoot. Others have mentioned LOP and recoil pads, changing stocks isn't hard and wally world sells slip on pads. You may have to do a little work to find or modify a shotgun to 'fit' her, but I can assure you she will be much happier with what she wants over what you think she will want.
 
.300 W.M.
I haven't looked locally, but Cabelas has them on sale now. Of course, like most ammo prices these days, even on sale they are a rip off. I got the pic from midwayusa.com. (more expensive that Cabelas)
 
Mossy 500 Youth Modle

I purchased a Mossberg 500 youth model (20 gauge 21" bbl - vented rib, 3 chokes, 1" shorter length of pull) for my 9 year old son - and after several years of significant use (trap, sporting clays, skeet, bird hunting) my wife has taken it and it is her main " go to gun" for everything. We live on a large parcel in the rural Ozarks and she defends the chickens on a nightly basis - mostly coons and posiums. The gun is light, handy and has thousands of rounds through it without a hitch. I paid $149 at wallyworld six years ago, now they are $225ish and you just can't beat the value.
 
Wingshooter

The best wingshooter I know uses a 28 gauge for most of his hunting. This guy rarely misses. Last year on a planted pheasant hunt I had a 28. The others had 12's or 20's. I had the fewest misses and every bird I hit hit the ground unable to run. The 12 and 20 guys missed often and also winged birds that dogs had to run down.

I am not a great wing shooter by any means. But, I am fully capable of missing with any gauge.
 
I am in a similar situation; we are getting a home defense pump shotgun, and I want to get my wife familiar with shotguns. She's also expressed interest in learning more, so this isn't a case of "husband imposes on wife". She thinks trap and skeet shooting would be cool.

My approach is to pay for a couple lessons at Montlake Clays (run by Dawn and Craig Sheaffer - so there's a woman shooter for my wife to talk to). We are going to take the 20ga Wingmaster we own, and rent a shotgun or two at the range (they have Beretta 390s, amongst others). Once she tries it out, and the instructor makes some recommendations, we'll decide further if she wants to pursue it and what gun would fit her needs most.

I'm rather frugal; I'm willing to spend good bucks on a firearm, but I think it's ultimately cheaper to let her rent a couple and consult a pro before springing out the pocketbook.
 
300WM - besides the AA loads, Fiocchi has a trainer load with 7/8 oz @ 1200 as does Kemen - both very easy on the shoulder.....and around here I can get the Kemen's for what wally world sells their shoulder-thumping cheap promo loads for
 
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