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No, it's like saying I don't like my wife's Yugo (Glock) because I like my Cadillac (Kimber).
A question for anyone that is Anti-Glock
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I have seen a glock lock totally up after a failure to fire. The slide could only be retracted far enough to recock the gun (a real safe situation!!!) Lead rounds are not safe. It has no safety. The lever on the trigger is NOT a damn safety! As someone said, a real safety prevents the gun from firing when the trigger is accidently manipulated by a force other than a consciously controlled finger. I know the rant about DA revolvers not having safeties, but the fact is they require a heavier and longer pull. They also require the cylinder not to bind, nothing to stop the triggers travel, and nothing to stop the hammers travel. That is not the case with the glock. Furthermore, the only glock I would want is the model 21 and its grip is the size of a rough cut 2x4. I also like the durability of real steel. Plastic can't take the punishment I sometimes face in heavy brush on my farm. Briars cut the hell out of plastic gun stocks (and me to).
I love it...the best thing about Glocks are like a sports superstar. What I mean is they are always being talked about..good, bad...doesn't matter. As long AS THEY ARE BEING MENTIONED is what counts. I guess you can make your own conclusions but let's face it. When is the last time HK's, Sigs, Rugers etc have been talked about so much?
For the record I own 5 1/2 Glocks(23 barrel for my 32), Beretta Elite92G, Ruger P97DC, and a S&W 22A. I owned a HK Compact 9( that I'm kicking myself for selling.)
I like them all....some people have expressed hatred for an inanimate object that seems sort of weird......
Oh well to each his own..........as long as they keep being mentioned
For the record I own 5 1/2 Glocks(23 barrel for my 32), Beretta Elite92G, Ruger P97DC, and a S&W 22A. I owned a HK Compact 9( that I'm kicking myself for selling.)
I like them all....some people have expressed hatred for an inanimate object that seems sort of weird......
Oh well to each his own..........as long as they keep being mentioned
The thing I HATE most about GLOCKS is the continual Press harping on about them and the manufacturer's over-advertising hoopla/brain-washing in all shooting magazines........closely followed by their top-heaviness, funny grip, looks, poor trigger, mediocre accuracy and serious reloading problems with linotype projectiles.
My local dealer was agast and incredulous when I said I wanted to order a CZ-75 [+ full kit] in .40 S&W - "HEY" he said " What's wrong with a Glock then ?" - he stormed on.
I tried to tell him, but to no avail. So I ordered from elsewhere and had it mailed, it was $80 more than his Glock too...
So some people buy Glocks simply because they get so much publicity.(a great PR coup I'm sure !)..pretty soon the generic name for an "automatic" pistol in the public's mind and dictionaries will be "GLOCK".
A shame - as their over-zealous owners are a pain enough in the ears as it is !
So to each his own...[and then -'Glockies'- please KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT ...OK?!]
My local dealer was agast and incredulous when I said I wanted to order a CZ-75 [+ full kit] in .40 S&W - "HEY" he said " What's wrong with a Glock then ?" - he stormed on.
I tried to tell him, but to no avail. So I ordered from elsewhere and had it mailed, it was $80 more than his Glock too...
So some people buy Glocks simply because they get so much publicity.(a great PR coup I'm sure !)..pretty soon the generic name for an "automatic" pistol in the public's mind and dictionaries will be "GLOCK".
A shame - as their over-zealous owners are a pain enough in the ears as it is !
So to each his own...[and then -'Glockies'- please KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT ...OK?!]
This is like a Mac-vs-PC argument. So I ought to have the sense to stay out of it, but here goes.
Having ouwned three of the things, I now only have one: my ancient (7/89) Glock 19 that looked beaten to hell when I bought it and hasn't been improved through years of deliberate abuse and neglect (using slide as a hammer, dropping in dirt, tossing, etc.). The only parts failure has been a broken trigger spring. I wasn't fond of the 23, though I wish I had kept the 21, which I sold to buy one of "God's own" Colt Government models.
Some notes
Reliability: good, but not perfect. The 19 is not reliable with all ammo in the same predictable way that a Beretta 92 or Sig 226 is. Give it ammo it likes (ball or fairly rounded HPs) and it it feeds perfectly. Better than 1911s. Not as good as my P7.
Durability: Except for the trigger spring, no breakage. Not bad for a heavily used, 11 year old gun. From Glocks I've seen, the durability is unparalleled. They don't rust, and the parts don't break. The early, non-drop free magazines are kind of fragile, but that's been remedied with the new, FML mags. If you can't get the full 10 rounds into them, by the way, eat more Wheaties or drink more milk for God's sake. It's not like loading an SMG mag by hand.
Trigger: It can be learned. I find it easier to deal with than a crunchenticker, or about the same as a DA revolver. With the short reset, it's like a mushy single-action. Could be better, but could be a lot worse.
Overall, I like Glocks, though not without qualification. They're small, simple, light, durable, reliable, and adequately accurate. I don't care for Sigs, though in most respects they are better guns. 1911s, yech. Nice to shoot, but overly complex, not reliable out of the box, and overpriced.
Having ouwned three of the things, I now only have one: my ancient (7/89) Glock 19 that looked beaten to hell when I bought it and hasn't been improved through years of deliberate abuse and neglect (using slide as a hammer, dropping in dirt, tossing, etc.). The only parts failure has been a broken trigger spring. I wasn't fond of the 23, though I wish I had kept the 21, which I sold to buy one of "God's own" Colt Government models.
Some notes
Reliability: good, but not perfect. The 19 is not reliable with all ammo in the same predictable way that a Beretta 92 or Sig 226 is. Give it ammo it likes (ball or fairly rounded HPs) and it it feeds perfectly. Better than 1911s. Not as good as my P7.
Durability: Except for the trigger spring, no breakage. Not bad for a heavily used, 11 year old gun. From Glocks I've seen, the durability is unparalleled. They don't rust, and the parts don't break. The early, non-drop free magazines are kind of fragile, but that's been remedied with the new, FML mags. If you can't get the full 10 rounds into them, by the way, eat more Wheaties or drink more milk for God's sake. It's not like loading an SMG mag by hand.
Trigger: It can be learned. I find it easier to deal with than a crunchenticker, or about the same as a DA revolver. With the short reset, it's like a mushy single-action. Could be better, but could be a lot worse.
Overall, I like Glocks, though not without qualification. They're small, simple, light, durable, reliable, and adequately accurate. I don't care for Sigs, though in most respects they are better guns. 1911s, yech. Nice to shoot, but overly complex, not reliable out of the box, and overpriced.
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