A new law in NY?

I would think that when they take your permit, they will also confiscate your handguns.

It is not automatic. There are options such as suspend, or possibly a premise permit. If it all hits the fan though with the state you can transfer them all to a friend with a permit or ship them out of state to a friend or family member.

There is also consideration with regards to HOW you got made. I would argue you should never be made in such a gun paranoia state as NY because it will result in an automatic call to the police. Nobody assumes permit are available. The proper way to carry is with some form of tuckable or other deep concealment (Smartcarry or such). Mind you, this is NOT illegal and I do not advise breaking any law. How then will a responsible person be made...

1. You draw in defense of your life or another's. Bottom line is you NEED that gun then and there. If the state is going to pull your permit later let them try, at least you will be alive to argue. If it can be shown there was a definite threat to your life though and a real reason to defend it there is a good chance you will eventually prevail. Even the NYCPD did not go after the old lady with the premise permit who shot the mugger a couple months ago with her ILLEGALLY CARRIED LOADED GUN.

2. You have a heart attack or other medical calamity resulting in the gun being discoverred. Again we are talking possible death against which the loss of a permit is an arguable second concern.

Were I carrying with restrictions I would always be doing so for a valid purpose. Going to or from a range, meeting place for trip to a range, gun shop to have something repaired/blued/etc, or place to eat as allowed by restrictions while going to or from. Mind you there are 24 hour ranges for the exact purpose of NY shooters who may have the desire to go shooting at 11 at night or 6 in the morning.

If an idiot is made because he looses his gun at a bar out drinking it is very hard to make the case you were on your way to or from the range. If a citizen with a squeeky clean record is made consideration will be given to that. NY is a DISCRETIONARY state. While that is certainly not always in your favor it does allow you to plead your case to a human as opposed to a statute book.
 
it shall be unlawful for any dealer in firearms to sell any ammunition designed exclusively for use in a pistol or revolver to any person, not authorized to possess a pistol or revolver.

There is no ammo under the sun, designed "EXCLUSIVELY" for use in a pistol or revolver. Therefore the law is meaningless and unenforceable. Except perhaps with respect to .25 auto. Never heard of a rifle in .25 auto. I have heard of scorpion carbines in .32 auto however.
 
I dunno, Billy or Musketeet. I moved here from Connecticut after living there all my life and I personally like it here in CNY. I like how much easier it is to be able to "live" and not be taxed to death or go broke trying to just survive. One thing I like best is, the "little white house with the picket fence" my family always dreamed about is finally a reality here, unlike back in CT. (Our $67,000 home here would have cost almost $260,000 back there). The only thing I don't like about here is Hilary.
As far as my original posted question, I made a call to a NY state trooper friend of mine today and he assures me that there is no such law here. He told me it sounds like a Kmart employee who either a) used to work or b) wants to work for Walmart telling customers it is a law when it is a store policy. I think next time I go to buy ammo I am gonna bring along a current copy of the state's firearm laws. Should make a few jaws hit the counter, LOL!
 
If your inside NYC you should really be putting the blame where it belongs on the recent gunlaws. Giuliani and Bloomberg. Those guys make Clinton and Hagel seem progun.
 
Cny

I was raised in WNY around Buffalo. I fled south of the border and now live in PA about 1/2 mile south of NY/PA border. It's amazing what a 1/2 mile will do for your peace of mind.
 
Please Forgive the Rant

Okay, as a nyc resident, living here since my family immigrated to the states in 74 from the Philippines (excepting being stationed in Germany, Korea, Fort Sill, Ok. and Fort Polk La.) I can say that I have a hate/love relationship with this city. I hate loving this place. It's a city with culture, beauty and history. Not to sound like a tourist add but It has some of the best food around. Where else can you get pakistani / indian /afghan /italian /korean /mexican /argentinian /columbian /japanese /chinese /korean takeout at 4a.m. in the morning after a night of partying? You can catch a Broadway show and if you don't want to pay full price catch a matinee show. The nightlife here is without peer outside of LA, just watch Entertainment tonight or read an entertainment mag, if it ain't LA the club you're reading about is here. Sports fanantic? We have the Yankees, the Mets, the Knicks and Rangers hockey(okay they suck) as well as the Giants, Jets and Islanders playing in nearby stadiums(if you can stomach Giants stadium, the jersey turnpike and Nassau col. Not to mention the countless pubs and sports bars to watch the game if you don't want to go to the stadiums. There is so much here the city has to offer. It never shuts down and has rhythm to it that can be Italian one day, Irish another or Afro Caribbean the next. And the women, my God thank you for creating me as a straight guy. They come in all the types guys love. Just sit outside anywhere in Manhattan during the spring and watch the cavalcade of women who walk by in their new spring wardrobes. Make sure you have napkin for the drool and sunglasses so you don't get caught ogling. Crime is way down here. People using common sense can be safer here compared to some other cities in the country. I credit that not only to NYPD but also for a good economy and the people themselves. New Yorkers are sick of crime just like anywhere else and any politician who wants to survive better be able to respond to any jumps in crime statistics.
But what do I love the most? The diversity of people. So many different races, religions and beliefs abound here and gives the city its character. Immigrants have always been the lifeblood of the city. When one group leaves another takes it's place. People don't always get along and can get a little rough around here when cultures and colors clash like the Crown Heights riots or Howard Beach but the city deals with it for the most part. As a person of color(Asian) I don't feel out of place here compared to some of the places outside of the city I've been too. When I visited New Hampshire for my friend's wedding I found the state beautiful. Loved the politics, the scenery, the gun shops and gun laws. What I didn't like was the stares I got from the citizenry for daring to walk hand in hand with my white girlfriend around the town and church my friend got married in. At the wedding reception, I sat with his neighbors who bragged about the fact that they had one of lowest populations of black people of any state. When I lived off post in La. back in the early nineties with said girlfriend I bought my first handgun for protection. Not from bad guys but from neighbors with the rebel battleflags adorning their houses who regarded my girlfriend openly, as a race traitor. Hell, I belong to several firearms forums and reading some of the threads in the politics/legal sections I see a subtle undercurrent of racism. In particular, threads about terrorism, threads criticizing non republican, non conservative non NRA people, how big cities and its "sheeple" are regarded by the mostly suburban white forum members (see the the third world country description), immigration, descriptions of the bad guys CCW laws are needed for, the gun buyer who spoke in ebonics from the worst/ignorant gun shop customer thread... Hell I've done it here when I described my experiences dealing with the NYPD license section so I guess I shouldn't throw stones at glass houses. I apologize if this starts a flame war but it has to be said.
What do I hate about the city? It's expensive to live here, 1800 a month for an one bedroom half a bathroom apt is considered a bargain. Too many liberals including the republicans who live here. They're not a bad lot but there should be a balance of libertarians and conservatives. The gun laws. It took me six months to get my premise permit which cost me almost $400 in fees and even then I have to apply for purchase orders every ninetey days for each gun I want to buy. I can't get a carry permit unless I'm Howard Stern, Derek Jeter, a diamond dealer, Wall Street CEO or a City Court Judge. In some upstate counties, your permit is lifetime(in some cases carry to boot) and you can get purchase orders by just going to police headquarters and paying your ten dollars anytime you need it though I don't know how long that will last with Spitzer in office as Gov. We also have to register shotguns and rifles and they used the registry effectively whe the city passed one of the earliest Assault Weapon bans. The police commissioner now through official fiat banned full capacity mags for handguns even though the city law says we can possess magazines with capacities upto 17 rounds. What the city does is excessive and clear example of a deliberate attempt to discourage firearms ownership. When your local politicians start ranting about waiting periods, permits and registration minimally affecting the law abiding citizen's right to keep and bear arms, just point the people toward what's happening in this city.
Now people have every right to criticize what goes on politically here, but don't call this city an UnAmerican Third World dictatorship or refer to us as sheeple. We may not be all white, rural , Christian republican red staters but we love this country just as much and are just as loyal to it. New Yorkers have fought and sometimes died in every war this country has been in. That is not the act of sheeple. To leave the country of your birth with practically nothing but a desire to become an American and have better life for their children away from poverty and dictatorship like my parents did and thrive here in one of toughest cities in the world is not the act of sheeple. I could also refer to 9/11, ground zero rescue recovery, the previous WTC bombing in '93 on the non sheeple response of NYC but that would be pandering, cliche' and downright insulting. Again sorry for the OT rant, but certain responses on this thread just set me off.
 
I will resist commenting on the above post. Suffice it to say that I lived in NY for most of the first 55 years of my life and even ran a business there. If it floats your boat enjoy yourself. I have earned the right to my opinions.

Third world dictatorship has nothing to do with immigrants but rather addresses the power structure of the state and the loss of individual freedoms. Folks who accept the gradual loss of basic freedoms (Not just firearms but other areas as well) are indeed sheep.
 
Sig226man makes many fine point. I live in NY near enough to the city to suffer from its liberal influence. It is a city that has much to offer. It is especially attractive to those who are not White Christians as there are more opportunities to be accepted in NY and NYC than in most other areas of the United States. I may be a white male raised as a Catholic but even I see the truth in that statement.

At the same time I do have to say the people of NYC are primarily sheeple. What is worse is the more "educated" they are the more elite they see themselves and the more sheeple they become, adhereing to the accepted norms of liberal life in NY. By and large the people of NYC will gladly trade freedom for the perception of security. When the NYPD insisted on doing bag checks at the subways it was a clear violation of Constitutional rights but was allowed to continue. When people who refused the check and left it was acceptable for the NYPD to then stop them for a mandatory check since they were now suspicious. Only in a city of sheeple would the use of your Consitutional rights against unwarranted search be considerred grounds for a search.

I have often gone into the city although I rarely choose to. It is true the Guliani and the NYPD made great strides in cleaning it up and making it safer. But just like that movie V for Vendetta the people had to simply give total obedience. Gulianni and the NYPD are no friends of civil liberties. They cleaned the city up so that it is safer, that is certain. They did so though through unwarranted searches, harrasement and strong arm tactics. That these things worked are hailed as a success by those in NYC who were frankly so concerned about out of control crime that anything was acceptable. The TRUE sign though that these people were/are sheeple though is that at no time was it considerred the innocent people of NYC's duty to protect themselves or stand up to crime. All responsiblity was handed over to the Mayor and the NYPD, along with a free pass on civil rights issues.

I think the mayor and NYPD did do some things VERY right. The insistance on getting rid of free passes for minor crimes was a major improvement. Catching the criminals early, when they stole a wallet, stops them before they advance to assault with a deadly weapon. Building up the understanding that crime would not be tolerated in even its minor forms prevented much from happenning and stopped others from advancing.

Finally we get to the term sheeple and the inplication that it is a racist term against people of color (which is a racist term, aren't we all a color?).

The majority of sheeple I know of are in the educated white community. They are the onse who see compliance and blind obedience to the herd mentality of "let the government protect us." The minotiry communities don't expect protection from the police so how could they be considerred sheeple. Even though the majority of deaths that were prevented by the NYPD and their draconian measures have been in the minority communities that very PD is seen as the enemy there. That is not the sign of sheeple, in the sense of blind obedience to the government. Granted they are swayed by others, rabble rousers like Sharpton, Rangle and the like, but they are certainly not sheeple to the NYPD and the mayor.
 
As a NYS resident with a permit I WAS going to post a response but this is too much for me without a cup of coffee....

ALL NYS permits are CCW, with the exception of NYC.
 
"ALL NYS permits are CCW, with the exception of NYC."

Well tell that to residents of downstate counties. Suffolk has a laundry list of restrictions that basically limits you to carrying to and from a range.

Officially they are handgun licenses, which you must have to buy, own or even handle a handgun. Can't rent a handgun, shoot a friends handgun or have one on your person with out the license. Your wife cannot legally shoot your handgun unless she has a license. If you are stopped with a handgun it better be listed on your license by serial number!

I have shot at indoor ranges where the Po Po's came in and checked serial numbers!

The information is also public record, too easy for shady folks to get.
 
Sig226,
Glad there are folks out there like you who enjoy the city. I've only been to the city once for two weeks and travel through the airports about once a month. I don't like either. I didn't care for much about the city when I was there for two weeks. I hate going through the airports. If you're happy there good, please start writing the legislatures who you help elect and let them know you are happy, but would like them to stay out of the state politics of other states. Let them know they are not third world dictators and have no control over what happens in other states. That is for the residents of those states to deal with and decide what happens in their state.
 
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>>>>Officially they are handgun licenses, which you must have to buy, own or even handle a handgun. Can't rent a handgun, shoot a friends handgun or have one on your person with out the license. Your wife cannot legally shoot your handgun unless she has a license. If you are stopped with a handgun it better be listed on your license by serial number!

Same as upstate...not a real problem anyways, any handgun in your posession that is not on your permit is an invitation for a free ride in a cruiser...downtown!!!!

>>>Suffolk has a laundry list of restrictions that basically limits you to carrying to and from a range.

I have heard that some judges place restrictions on where and if you can carry CCW in certain counties near NYC, thank you for confirming that.

NYC is a nightmare of red tape to get a CCW permit....
 
"ALL NYS permits are CCW, with the exception of NYC."

Well tell that to residents of downstate counties. Suffolk has a laundry list of restrictions that basically limits you to carrying to and from a range.

See post #19 on this thread, page one. The SCPD and NCPD may not like it but it is the truth. You have a CARRY PERMIT. They will misinform you but they can't arrest you. Even the manual they give the downstaters is a load of crock since it says that normally you cannot take your handgun with you out of state on vacation. Anyone here though knows that NY and its Permit to Own is the EXCEPTION to the nation and not the rule.
 
Re the above post. Technically they cannot prosecute you criminally. But they can revoke your license and then you can no longer own a handgun. They can take your property, your handguns, or force you to sell them. And charge you $5 to remove each gun from your license! ( SCPD charges you $5 to add or remove a handgun from your license)

When a local official (the SCPD commissioner) can thumb his nose at the state legislature and even his own county legislature, and take your property without any semblance of due process, you live in a third world dictatorship.
 
Also keep in mind that NY as to CARRY PERMITS, like many European Countries, including everyones famous bastion of gunness, ie Switzerland, is PERSONALLY based...that means that if you live in a smaller county and KNOW somebody (ie Judge, lawyer, cop, politico) you will get an unrestricted permit. Likewise if you are a Dr., lawyer, Indian chief, you get one. Just a nobody and want a carry permit in NY? Become active in party politics.....In my experience (Erie County and NYC) you grease the right wheels, you get it

WildjustlikeinswitzerlandAlaska
 
Rumor Mill or Truth?

Ok, as long as we are talking about NY laws, I have been hearing some stuff around the club and town about a few other laws we as New Yorkers may be facing. I am trying to track down if they are true or rumor. Any help will be useful, cuz it looks like we are in for a rough ride with the new administration. Here is what I heard:
1) As I originally posted, to purchase handgun caliber ammo, even if it is for a rifle. ya will now have to produce a valid pistol permit to buy it.
2) Heard this from a member of my church: At renual time, any person presently holding a pistol permit within the state of New York will have to pay not only the new renual fee, but, a "tax" on eachhandgun registered under that permit equal to half the original sale (ex. a $300 handgun = a $150 tax) and a flat "tax" of an additional $50 on each long gun.
3) As of February 1st, 2007, any person who purchases an "assault" or "military" weapon (AR-15s, M-1 Garand, Mauser, ect) will have to not only pass the normal BATF backround check, but a State one as well, and pay a tax equalling 1/2 the sale cost of the weapon. Any person who owns such a weapon before 2/1/07 will have to pay a "tax" equal to 1/4 of the original sale price. (Was told this by a member of my rod and reel club).
4) The current law that limits NY state residents to owning/possessing no more than 20 firearms in any combo (hand or long gun) in one's home is going to be heavily enforced. (heard again at my club)
5) Handloaders will only be allowed to keep less than 5 lbs of reloading powder in their home at any given time. (My favorite gunshop owner told me this, but like he said, how will anyone know how much ya keep on hand?)

Like I said, these are some of the rumors flying around that I have heard. I guess the powers to be are figuring if they can't ban guns, that the next best thing to do is make it too expensive through "taxes" to keep em and to try and super regulate stuff like ammo and stuff. Personally, I think any new laws like this should be up to public vote. Anyone here know if these are rumor or truth or of any other crap that may be coming down the pipe here in NY?
 
None of these are current law, but probably have been proposed. Remember the Tax on Ammo a few years back?

While most of the above are not law now, with the current political climate in NY and the fact that Republicans passed the State Assault Weapons ban, who knows?

There is just no hope in NY, do not expect help from Republicans and we know where the other party stands. You live in an Anti gun state, even if you live upstate. NYC and the metro area control the politics.

As to the comment by Wild Re carry permits. If you live in rural counties you can get a full unrestricted permit, but in downstate areas you better have a lot of money and several lawyers on retainer. Or be a wife beating drug abusing celebrity.And your permit can be revoked at some lackey's whim. Giuliani revoked most NYC carry permits when he was in office. The permits were not renewed and folks who for years had permits found themselves unarmed.
 
While K80Geoff is correct about the rumor mill, there are plans starting next month for an all out assualt on gunowners in New York State. Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver, incoming Governor Spitzer and Attorney General Cuomo despise gun owners. There are a stack of anti-gun bills the Assembly plans to start pushing next month, and don't expect too much help from the Rebublican Senate who control it by only 2 seats. Gun owners have only themselves to blame. There are 4 million gun owners in this state, so there is no reason for these treasonous traiters to be in office. We have very stupid voters in this state and I am including gun owners. Get involved Capt Vin and contact your local representatives about your gun rights.
 
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"firearm" in NY law does NOT mean legal rifles and shotguns - it applies to handguns, SBR, AW, and illegal shotguns:
s265 3. "Firearm" means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d) any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or
otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e) an assault weapon.

265.02 re: criminal possession 3rd degree: (5) (i) Such person possesses twenty or more firearms;

There is no limit on normal rifles, shotguns etc.


2)There were, atleast at one time "premises" permits, it was a choice on the application (vs CC)...There are two different basic kinds of permits; premises and
carry. The types of permits are listed in NYPL 400.00(2); there are 6 different kinds all told; 2 are premises permits, and 4 are various sorts of carry permits...Premises allows you to have the gun at the listed location only. As listed here: A license for a pistol or revolver, other than an assault weapon or a disguised gun, shall be issued to (a) have and possess in his dwelling by a householder; (b) have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper; (c) have and carry concealed while...

As of now, the permit is good for life, except for permits issued to residents of NYC, and Nassau and Suffolk counties (Long Island), which expire within three years of issuance (at the discretion of the licensing officer).
 
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