Ok, someone help me here. Today, I went to a local Kmart to pick up some 9mm rounds for my Hi-Point Carbine and some .22LRs for my kid's Cricket so we could go shooting this afternoon. After the clerk pulls out the ammo and scans it in the register, he asks to see my pistol permit. Kind of shocked, I tell him that the ammo is for rifles, and he tells me that under a new law here in New York, ammo for handguns can not be sold to anyone without a pistol permit, whether it was for a rifle or not. Well, I tell the clown he is kidding, right? And he says no, it is a new law and if I don't show a valid pistol permit, he can't sell me the ammo. Well, No prob, I show him my pistol permit and he cashes me out. I asked when this supposed law was passed and he said a while ago, but it is only recently being enforced again. Well, I have been around here a long time, and have never heard of any such law. When I got home, I quickly went online to look it up and couldn't find anything close to it. Did I miss something here? Did a new law concerning ammo get passed while I was sleeping or something? Last I knew, the only law concerning it was you had to be over 21 to purchase handgun ammo. Is this an actual new law in NY or is it a new Kmart policy that this clerk is confusing law with? Anyone know?
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A new law in NY?
- Thread starter Capt_Vin
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Why ask Why? You live in a third world Dictatorship where your rights as a person have been trampled by the politicians and sheeple who vote for them. You as a gun owner are a second class citizen who is looked upon as a criminal regardless of how clean your record is.
BTW you can look up the State Laws on the www.packing.org website. If you live in that state it would behoove you to read the laws and familiarize yourself with them.
BTW you can look up the State Laws on the www.packing.org website. If you live in that state it would behoove you to read the laws and familiarize yourself with them.
There is no direct law in the New York State Penal Code stating you must show a permit to purchase handgun/rifle ammo. Although in Section 270.00 subdivision(5) it states "Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision 4 of this section, it shall be unlawful for any dealer in firearms to sell any ammunition designed exclusively for use in a pistol or revolver to any person, not authorized to possess a pistol or revolver. The violation of this section shall constitute a class B misdemeanor". I have been told by major department store managers that their corporate lawyers have told them to tell customers there is a new law because they are terrified of multi-million dollar lawsuits and bad publicity if they were to accidently sell handgun ammo to a criminal who would then go out and kill someone. They do not know or care what handgun ammo can be used in a rifle. It's all about liability and a responsible corporate image. Whenever I have been shopping at WalMart or Gander Mountain and grabbed a box of handgun ammo out of convienence, I have always been asked for my permit. But at the local gun stores, where I do most of my shopping, I have only been asked for one when purchasing a handgun. I have only seen them ask for one when they have a bad feeling about someone purchasing handgun ammo. Also, you should not be shopping at Kmart. They are very antigun. You should be supporting your local gun shops as best you can, who will always fight for the 2nd Amendment. I hope this answers your question.
Godzilla sums it up nicely. You could write to the offending store's headquarters but they are likely to fall back on the "They have a right to sell what they want to whom they want within the law" argument. THey will also be less than concerned that their employees are supposedly stating the law incorrectly.
I too live in NY and hate this state. My goal is to eventually leave.
I too live in NY and hate this state. My goal is to eventually leave.
every time a buy .22 ammo at wal-mart the clerk asks me if its for a handgun......... i tell them no....... it is actually for my 1022 custom but i guess i don't see any reason to be ask such a question............ yes it would be nice to live in the country our forefathers wanted for us...................
I just went through this at Wal-Mart here in New York. I will not shop there again. The kid took my license and studied the front and back. Now for those of you who do not live in New York, the front of the license has your address and the back lists all handguns that you own. So, if you shop at Wal-Mart, now you have to trust that the kid working there does not have crack addicted friends who will pay you a visit that night. I personally don't like total strangers knowing what firearms I own. Call me paranoid, but I think this is a dangerous policy Wal-Mart has. I will now only shop at sports authority, where the guy just gives a causal glance at my license. Or, better yet, order ammo online and it comes right to my door.
Wildalaska
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You live in a third world Dictatorship where your rights as a person have been trampled by the politicians and sheeple who vote for them.
Third world dictatorship? That is the dumbest thing I have seen on this Board in a long time. Ya dont like immigrants, try to be a little bit less blatant.
Adding the term sheeple in there shows....well screw, it think twice, post once....
Wildandkeepinmindthat25yearsagoNYwasoneofthefewplacesthatyoucouldgetapermittocarryAlaska
Wildalaska
Moderator
Yeah well there are idiot politicians all over this country and I for one am sick of the demonizing. The good folks of NY, our friends, families neighbors and what the hell, just our FELLOW AMERICANS elected those particular idiots and since we have something called FREE ELCTIONS in this country they are entitled to do so...you dont like Hillarys politics? Next time she runs send $100 to her opponent...
And by the way its not Hillary and Charlie that run NY state law re firearms, its the NYS Legislature and they have had "gun control" there since 1912 IIRC...
WildpersnicketytodayAlaska
And by the way its not Hillary and Charlie that run NY state law re firearms, its the NYS Legislature and they have had "gun control" there since 1912 IIRC...
WildpersnicketytodayAlaska
DonR101395
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Wild,
Other than not being fond of the term sheeple (personal preference, but could care less if other use it) what is wrong with his comments? Let's see Chuck Rangle, Billary Clinton, an entire city who is filled with anti-gun politicians who have made it their personal goal to attempt to ensure that not only their city and state but the entire country live the way they feel you should live according to their screwed up, skewed value system.
IMO their system says guns are bad, but men marrying men is good. Working an honest day for an honest days wage is bad, sitting at home complaining the conservatives are keeping you down while collecting a check is good(as long as the wealth is equally distributed).
They were the only place you could get a permit? How often did/do you hear of someone getting a permit? Oh yea, those were for the privileged class.
Other than not being fond of the term sheeple (personal preference, but could care less if other use it) what is wrong with his comments? Let's see Chuck Rangle, Billary Clinton, an entire city who is filled with anti-gun politicians who have made it their personal goal to attempt to ensure that not only their city and state but the entire country live the way they feel you should live according to their screwed up, skewed value system.
IMO their system says guns are bad, but men marrying men is good. Working an honest day for an honest days wage is bad, sitting at home complaining the conservatives are keeping you down while collecting a check is good(as long as the wealth is equally distributed).
They were the only place you could get a permit? How often did/do you hear of someone getting a permit? Oh yea, those were for the privileged class.
Wildalaska
Moderator
what is wrong with his comments?
How about "Third World Dictatorship"? Sheeple?
an entire city who is filled with anti-gun politicians who have made it their personal goal to attempt to ensure that not only their city and state but the entire country live the way they feel you should live according to their screwed up, skewed value system.
Yeah well there are tons of politicoes with screwed up, skewed value systems all over the country who are trying to make me live the way they want me to live, so what.....
IMO their system says guns are bad, but men marrying men is good.
Yeah well the other side says guns are good b ut men marrying men is bad...so both sides want to screw with folks ja?
They were the only place you could get a permit? How often did/do you hear of someone getting a permit? Oh yea, those were for the privileged class.
There are tons of permits holders outside the city from all walks of life...in the city its a bit tougher...but doable.....
WildandthatsmyspeechAlaska
DonR101395
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How about "Third World Dictatorship"? Sheeple?
I already addressed sheeple, as for Third World Dictatorship. I understood his comment as a comparison between a Third World Dictator and the way that NYC mainly, but also including their state legislators wish to rule "their" people.
Yeah well there are tons of politicoes with screwed up, skewed value systems all over the country who are trying to make me live the way they want me to live, so what.....
What other mayor of a city is hiring henchmen to go to another state to attempt to break federal law because he doesn't agree with that states view? I can only think of one and he happens to be from NYC. Unfortunately the rest of the state gets lumped into one pile because one city runs the state.
Yeah well the other side says guns are good b ut men marrying men is bad...so both sides want to screw with folks ja?
Deal, I don't care if every man in NYC is married to another man as long as they don't care how many guns I own or carry, anyplace, anytime I feel like it.
There are tons of permits holders outside the city from all walks of life...in the city its a bit tougher...but doable.....
That's interesting, seems like every time I read a thread on here complaining about not being able to get a permit they seem to be from NYC, NJ, MA, IL, WI or CA. I would venture to say that there are not nearly the amount of permit holders in any of those places that there are in the shall issue states. I would also be willing to bet there would be ten times the number of permit holders if they were shall issue states, but we'll not see that in the near future.
Wildalaska
Moderator
fROM A NEWS ARTICLE:
"The State Police Pistol Permit Bureau, maintaining a central information repository since 1936, had received 1,142,706 approved pistol permit applications from counties at the end of 2001, a clerk said."
I dont know if that is cumulative since 1936 or not
WildtiredAlaska
"The State Police Pistol Permit Bureau, maintaining a central information repository since 1936, had received 1,142,706 approved pistol permit applications from counties at the end of 2001, a clerk said."
I dont know if that is cumulative since 1936 or not
WildtiredAlaska
DonR101395
New member
Wild that's a pistol permit. I guess I should have been more clear by saying CCW permit? A pistol permit allows you to buy one, not carry it.
Wild that's a pistol permit. I guess I should have been more clear by saying CCW permit? A pistol permit allows you to buy one, not carry it.
Every pistol license in NY is a carry permit. In other words, if you get a pistol license, you can buy and carry a handgun. HOWEVER, the carry portion of your license will be restricted to certain activities. For example, Sportsman, Business, Security, Auxiliary Police, Retired Law Enforcement, and Unrestricted Carry.
Wildalaska
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Actually htere are premises permits also, but those are mostly in NYC
WilditgetsconfusingAlaska
WilditgetsconfusingAlaska
DonR101395
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Every pistol license in NY is a carry permit. In other words, if you get a pistol license, you can buy and carry a handgun. HOWEVER, the carry portion of your license will be restricted to certain activities. For example, Sportsman, Business, Security, Auxiliary Police, Retired Law Enforcement, and Unrestricted Carry.
I stand/sit corrected.
With all of those categories it sounds more like a transportation permit. i.e. they will allow you to take it to the range unless you're LEO then you can carry. Am I too far off base on that?
Every pistol license in NY is a carry permit. In other words, if you get a pistol license, you can buy and carry a handgun. HOWEVER, the carry portion of your license will be restricted to certain activities. For example, Sportsman, Business, Security, Auxiliary Police, Retired Law Enforcement, and Unrestricted Carry.
Every permit not a PREMISE PERMIT (95% of those outside NYC) is a CCW PERMIT per the NYS Legislature.
Restrictions have no wieght of law and are punishable by revocation of the permit. The issuing authorities (County police on LI and judges elsewhere) wish they could add criminal penalties but are blocked by state law. If you want to carry carry, but if made you may loose the permit.
http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/FAQs/Firearms/Permits.cfm
Q - What section of the Penal Law authorizes the placing of restrictions on pistol permits by the issuing authority?
The Penal Law does not specifically authorize the placing of restrictions on pistol permits. However, court decisions have consistently supported the ability of licensing officials to impose these restrictions. Such an imposition is an administrative function of the licensing officer.
Licensees in violation of these restrictions would therefore not be subject to criminal prosecution but would face action being taken by the court of issuance in the form of suspension or possible revocation of the license.
Anyone with a brain sees the restrictions as an unlawful extension of Executive and Judiciary powers over the Legislature. The probelm is the issue had to be resolved by the same Judiciary that claimed those powers... no conflict of interest there! Begrudginly they must admit they can't charge you but they can take the permit. NY'rs with the restricted permits (inflicted arbitrarily across the state with no single system, also subject to political pay backs and old boy network friends) need to decide if the risk of being made carrying outside the restrictions (which always include allowing to and from the range, there are 24hr ranges in NY!) and possibility of loosing the permit is worth more than the possibility of not having the gun when really needed.
If I were to advocate carrying outside restrictions I would advise refraining from ANY involvement with any issue not immediately threatenning your life or your family. Let the criminals do what they want because the State doesn't really care and will only punish you.
Musketeer:
... and possibility of loosing the permit is worth more than the possibility of not having the gun when really needed.
I would think that when they take your permit, they will also confiscate your handguns.